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<blockquote data-quote="TwinBahamut" data-source="post: 4596715" data-attributes="member: 32536"><p>I haven't watched <em>Chinese Ghost Story</em> or <em>Kung Fu Panda</em>, so I can't comment, but I have recently watched <em>The Forbidden Kingdom</em> (which was a lot of fun <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />). I can't really say that <em>anything</em> in there was really "ki" or not, actually, since the whole movie was so thoroughly tied up with all kinds of chinese mysticism and a number of immortals and gods running around... Pulling anything apart is pretty difficult.</p><p></p><p>However, to clear up the record of what I have said... I have nothing wrong with fiery ki blasts in a Ki Power Source class. I think I mentioned above that any particular energy keyword is probably okay for the Ki Power Source. "Ki" does not have to be telekinetic. Actually, I don't think of it as that at all. In what you quoted, I was more referring to the pure energy you see in the <em>Dragonball</em> and <em>Yu Yu Hakusho</em> anime, or the Hadoken from <em>Street Fighter</em>, though I suppose I shouldn't say that "ki" should be limited to that... My problem is with the other aspects of your Shugenja concept, not affixing elemental energy properties and keywords to Ki Power Source attacks and powers.</p><p></p><p>If it makes it any clearer, elemental attacks created from someone standing back, chanting some words, and creating some kind of flame dragon to rise from a magic formula written into a scroll is not what I would consider Ki Power Source material, even if you can argue that it is "ki". However, a guy lighting his hand of fire with his will, punching an enemy, snapping his finger, and causing a ball of flame ki he planted on the enemy's body to explode is more what I would consider Ki Power Source to be. The difference is the punch, I guess, and the sense that the power is projected from <em>within</em> the user, not controlled from a distance. The power of Ki would come from the body of the user and be channeled through or projected from a fist or a weapon...</p><p></p><p>Maybe I am just too thoroughly in favor of the idea that Ki Power Source = characters from <em>Street Fighter</em> or <em>King of Fighters</em>.</p><p></p><p>Well, yes, it is a preference. One that I will continue to vouch for wherever the WotC people might hear me, in the hopes that it will come true. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>As for that description of the Shugenja... I guess it depends on how important the naginata is to the powers for determining whether it fits into my preference of not (since it is clear that you like it <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />). A good rule of thumb is that, if the enhancement bonus on the naginata affected the powers' attack rolls, it might work as a Ki Power Source character for me.</p><p></p><p>This sums it up pretty closely to what I was arguing. Thank you, Cadfan. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I am amazed at how often I agree with what you say...</p><p></p><p>It almost sounds like we are all drawing closer to a consensus/agree-to-disagree situation here. That is pretty nice.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TwinBahamut, post: 4596715, member: 32536"] I haven't watched [i]Chinese Ghost Story[/i] or [i]Kung Fu Panda[/i], so I can't comment, but I have recently watched [i]The Forbidden Kingdom[/i] (which was a lot of fun :)). I can't really say that [i]anything[/i] in there was really "ki" or not, actually, since the whole movie was so thoroughly tied up with all kinds of chinese mysticism and a number of immortals and gods running around... Pulling anything apart is pretty difficult. However, to clear up the record of what I have said... I have nothing wrong with fiery ki blasts in a Ki Power Source class. I think I mentioned above that any particular energy keyword is probably okay for the Ki Power Source. "Ki" does not have to be telekinetic. Actually, I don't think of it as that at all. In what you quoted, I was more referring to the pure energy you see in the [i]Dragonball[/i] and [i]Yu Yu Hakusho[/i] anime, or the Hadoken from [i]Street Fighter[/i], though I suppose I shouldn't say that "ki" should be limited to that... My problem is with the other aspects of your Shugenja concept, not affixing elemental energy properties and keywords to Ki Power Source attacks and powers. If it makes it any clearer, elemental attacks created from someone standing back, chanting some words, and creating some kind of flame dragon to rise from a magic formula written into a scroll is not what I would consider Ki Power Source material, even if you can argue that it is "ki". However, a guy lighting his hand of fire with his will, punching an enemy, snapping his finger, and causing a ball of flame ki he planted on the enemy's body to explode is more what I would consider Ki Power Source to be. The difference is the punch, I guess, and the sense that the power is projected from [i]within[/i] the user, not controlled from a distance. The power of Ki would come from the body of the user and be channeled through or projected from a fist or a weapon... Maybe I am just too thoroughly in favor of the idea that Ki Power Source = characters from [i]Street Fighter[/i] or [i]King of Fighters[/i]. Well, yes, it is a preference. One that I will continue to vouch for wherever the WotC people might hear me, in the hopes that it will come true. :) As for that description of the Shugenja... I guess it depends on how important the naginata is to the powers for determining whether it fits into my preference of not (since it is clear that you like it ;)). A good rule of thumb is that, if the enhancement bonus on the naginata affected the powers' attack rolls, it might work as a Ki Power Source character for me. This sums it up pretty closely to what I was arguing. Thank you, Cadfan. :) I am amazed at how often I agree with what you say... It almost sounds like we are all drawing closer to a consensus/agree-to-disagree situation here. That is pretty nice. [/QUOTE]
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