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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 4921587" data-attributes="member: 19675">I think part of the problem is conflating &quot;monk&quot; with &quot;unarmed fighter.&quot;&nbsp; There can be all kinds of unarmed fighters- check my sig and you'll see a lot of them exist in 3.X- but only a few of them really match well with the monk.A master of Capoiera, in some ways, more closely resembles a Bard than a Monk...and that is somewhat captured by the BattleDancer from DCv1.And there are several martial arts styles that rely on the application of quick and precise brute force- kind of like Rage or Ki Frenzy- and such styles can be quite chaotic.Heck- the Monk class doesn't even reflect the weapon list you might expect of the archetypal Eastern monk (to Western eyes, at least)- the Shaolin.&nbsp; Where are the swords?&nbsp; Where are the SPEARS? (I do have a HR to address that, but that's not the issue.)So if I want a non-lawful monk, I just use another class.&nbsp; A barbarian for some types (like mentioned before), or Fighter for someone who is more akin to a commando...or practitioner of Pankration or Ju-Jitsu.&nbsp; A PsiWar or Battlesorcerer makes a fine mystical martial artist.&nbsp; Etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 4921587, member: 19675"] I think part of the problem is conflating "monk" with "unarmed fighter." There can be all kinds of unarmed fighters- check my sig and you'll see a lot of them exist in 3.X- but only a few of them really match well with the monk. A master of Capoiera, in some ways, more closely resembles a Bard than a Monk...and that is somewhat captured by the BattleDancer from DCv1. And there are several martial arts styles that rely on the application of quick and precise brute force- kind of like Rage or Ki Frenzy- and such styles can be quite chaotic. Heck- the Monk class doesn't even reflect the weapon list you might expect of the archetypal Eastern monk (to Western eyes, at least)- the Shaolin. Where are the swords? Where are the [I]SPEARS? [/I] (I do have a HR to address that, but that's not the issue.) So if I want a non-lawful monk, I just use another class. A barbarian for some types (like mentioned before), or Fighter for someone who is more akin to a commando...or practitioner of Pankration or Ju-Jitsu. A PsiWar or Battlesorcerer makes a fine mystical martial artist. Etc. [/QUOTE]

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