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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 275739" data-attributes="member: 2011">No problem. You can come clean up my house to make up for it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Well, I do not think it is only the spell per se.It's the +2 Int for Sun Elves combined with +2 Int for Spell Casting Prodigy combined with +2 for Spell Focus combined with +2 for Greater Spell Focus combined with +6 for Headbands of Intellect, combined with Chain Spell.There are SO many ways to bump up your DCs once you get out of the core rules that stuff like this is inevitable, even without power gamers. IMO.Hence, I tend to look at a jaundiced eye towards feats, races, and prestige classes outside of the core rules. It is very easy to get an abusive character, even if you are not trying that hard.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 275739, member: 2011"] No problem. You can come clean up my house to make up for it. :) Well, I do not think it is only the spell per se. It's the +2 Int for Sun Elves combined with +2 Int for Spell Casting Prodigy combined with +2 for Spell Focus combined with +2 for Greater Spell Focus combined with +6 for Headbands of Intellect, combined with Chain Spell. There are SO many ways to bump up your DCs once you get out of the core rules that stuff like this is inevitable, even without power gamers. IMO. Hence, I tend to look at a jaundiced eye towards feats, races, and prestige classes outside of the core rules. It is very easy to get an abusive character, even if you are not trying that hard. [/QUOTE]

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