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<blockquote data-quote="emoplato" data-source="post: 5682416" data-attributes="member: 97812">As what others have said adding more stuff to the monk isn't going to help it. It quite simply needs to renovated. The fact it is the class that has a mess of everything without many uses/later application and some immunities that in reality don't actually add much to the base of the class. It isn't that it can't be made good it is just that it usually requires class splicing and monk prestige classes. There is also the issue that the &quot;martial artist&quot; of core actually is only moderately good at it, as others have pointed out.Pathfinder actually solved some of it by letting CMB check BAB stack with straight monk+other BAB. They also oddly enough let them have full BAB-2 in their flurry attack. They still have the mess of abilities but under a pathfinder system rule, a ki pool fuels your different abilities allowing to pick and choose what one may need at a time. They also got rid of the assigned feats after level 1 leaving open bonus feats. I say look at that and accommodate accordingly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="emoplato, post: 5682416, member: 97812"] As what others have said adding more stuff to the monk isn't going to help it. It quite simply needs to renovated. The fact it is the class that has a mess of everything without many uses/later application and some immunities that in reality don't actually add much to the base of the class. It isn't that it can't be made good it is just that it usually requires class splicing and monk prestige classes. There is also the issue that the "martial artist" of core actually is only moderately good at it, as others have pointed out. Pathfinder actually solved some of it by letting CMB check BAB stack with straight monk+other BAB. They also oddly enough let them have full BAB-2 in their flurry attack. They still have the mess of abilities but under a pathfinder system rule, a ki pool fuels your different abilities allowing to pick and choose what one may need at a time. They also got rid of the assigned feats after level 1 leaving open bonus feats. I say look at that and accommodate accordingly. [/QUOTE]

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