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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kerrick" data-source="post: 4781748" data-attributes="member: 4722">This is getting interesting...That's pretty much what I was thinking - flurry is a special action, not TWF. I know the penalties decrease, and that it's not magical, blah blah blah... but my question is: can you combine it with TWF, or are they exclusive? Can you, for example, wield a kama in one hand and a short sword in the other, and get a flurry AND extra attacks with the short sword?Agreed.That's why they aren't monk weapons and monks can't flurry with them... but why do they require proficiency again? I don't think they do - they're just listed in case someone in armor makes an unarmed attack (i.e., punches someone in the face). It's exactly the same, except you can deal lethal damage.Yes, both are full-round actions, so your answer seems to make sense.Yes, but the 16th level monk is dealing 2d8 damage with each attack. This is, perhaps, WHY it scales like it does - so he can keep up with the TWF fighters. Let's compare a rogue (rapier and short sword) with the monk (flurry):Rogue: 6 attacks (3 main, 3 offhand), avg dmg: 10.5 (main) + 10.5 (offhand) = 22/round. Even if he had a longsword in the main hand, his damage would be 13.5 + 10.5 = 24.Monk: 5 attacks, avg dmg: 9 each = 45/round.Monk wins. Fatality.But... as noted above, TWF and flurry are both full-round actions. If you're wielding a non-monkish weapon (say, a short sword) in your offhand, you can't flurry. You're now using two weapons, and it defaults to the TWF rules.Hey look, we agree on something. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> But... you've just contradicted yourself. Since the gauntlet is not a monkish weapon, he would be fighting with multiple weapons while making attacks with it. Ergo, you can't combine TWF and flurry. Right?</blockquote>

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