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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kerrick" data-source="post: 4783699" data-attributes="member: 4722">Wow, too many replies. I'll just condense it.Re: unarmed strikes and proficiency: Those of you who say it requires proficiency would appear to be correct (and yes, Vegepygmy, it IS a weapon - otherwise it wouldn't require proficiency). Huh. It's rather stupid, though... if they (my fists) are part of my body, I should know how to USE them, right? I mean, you're already suffering an AoO for attacking unarmed - why tack a -4 on top of it? And.. if they're not natural weapons, what are they? They're certainly not manufactured weapons. This is why we've had so many problems over the years with magic fang and the monk's unarmed strike. If WotC would just man up and say "Yes, it's a natural attack" it would clear so many things up. It really wouldn't break the game. Honest.Oh, and if we really want to be technical, monks aren't proficient in unarmed strike. Check their weapon list. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />Re: Club proficiency: Yes, it's a fairly common house rule.Re: MWF. The prereqs are Dex 13, three or more arms. A human monk cannot take it. Period.Re: Full attack actions and full round actions: By your logic, I could make a full move while also making a full attack action, since IAnd now, back to the discussion at hand...I remember a line in the flurry description that might prove pertinent:It goes on to use a quarterstaff (a two-handed weapon) as an example. This, to me, means that weapons and unarmed strikes are two separate weapons, and thus TWF and flurry are mutually exclusive.</blockquote>

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