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<blockquote data-quote="uzagi_akimbo" data-source="post: 1636054" data-attributes="member: 15945"><p>Well, Flurry of Blows is an (Ex) Ability, too. Still you cannot use it with any form of natural weapon, even if you retain the ability. And "Fast Movement" makes _no_ mention of "Ki"-use (actually very few abilities of the monk are "Ki" powered besides his strikes ). Which - IMHO - should mean - it is not powered by anything else but by the monk's excellent physical shape , strength of frame and muscular tone - please take note, that "Fast Movement" is very much dependent on the monk's strength and the directly related carrying capacity. Drain/lower the strength and out of the windows goes the fast movement - while nothing much happens to his ability to flurry, dodge or other monkish stunts.</p><p>In contrast "Ki" abilities can be used while encumbered, while "Fast Movement" cannot. "Ki" Abilities are (Su) without fail, too. And frankly, most birds lack the strong legs required for rapid ground-based movement (Ostriches etc. are excepted ). </p><p></p><p>Or, as an argument in a rather circumvential way - a Beholder has the (Ex) ability to fly, because his body is naturally buoyant (as stated in his description, ref. MM I ). So according to your argument, he would still be able to fly, because his ability to do so is extraordinary (Ex) if he was polymorphed or wildshaped into an elephant, as he retains the extraordinary qualities ? After all he is not missing a body part needed for his ability to fly, he is still in the same body, which is just shaped differently.... Sounds absurd, right ? IMHO, the same applies to a wildshaped monk - his ability to cover ground fast is very much dependent on his fitness and natural means of propulsion, not any magical boost (it is (Ex) after all ), even if his new form has tow (short) legs and two arms/wings...</p><p>And - after all, the general "brokenness of "Wild Shape" tied to "Polymorph" and the possible absurd results are too well known already. Not a good foundation to build an argument on in the first place.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="uzagi_akimbo, post: 1636054, member: 15945"] Well, Flurry of Blows is an (Ex) Ability, too. Still you cannot use it with any form of natural weapon, even if you retain the ability. And "Fast Movement" makes _no_ mention of "Ki"-use (actually very few abilities of the monk are "Ki" powered besides his strikes ). Which - IMHO - should mean - it is not powered by anything else but by the monk's excellent physical shape , strength of frame and muscular tone - please take note, that "Fast Movement" is very much dependent on the monk's strength and the directly related carrying capacity. Drain/lower the strength and out of the windows goes the fast movement - while nothing much happens to his ability to flurry, dodge or other monkish stunts. In contrast "Ki" abilities can be used while encumbered, while "Fast Movement" cannot. "Ki" Abilities are (Su) without fail, too. And frankly, most birds lack the strong legs required for rapid ground-based movement (Ostriches etc. are excepted ). Or, as an argument in a rather circumvential way - a Beholder has the (Ex) ability to fly, because his body is naturally buoyant (as stated in his description, ref. MM I ). So according to your argument, he would still be able to fly, because his ability to do so is extraordinary (Ex) if he was polymorphed or wildshaped into an elephant, as he retains the extraordinary qualities ? After all he is not missing a body part needed for his ability to fly, he is still in the same body, which is just shaped differently.... Sounds absurd, right ? IMHO, the same applies to a wildshaped monk - his ability to cover ground fast is very much dependent on his fitness and natural means of propulsion, not any magical boost (it is (Ex) after all ), even if his new form has tow (short) legs and two arms/wings... And - after all, the general "brokenness of "Wild Shape" tied to "Polymorph" and the possible absurd results are too well known already. Not a good foundation to build an argument on in the first place. [/QUOTE]
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