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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8831492" data-attributes="member: 93670">[USER=7035894]@Clint_L[/USER] If you want to make a case for flavor of using unarmed attacks damage output is a poor hill to plant that flag because gaining equipment &amp; improving power with new equipment is a big part of d&amp;d.&nbsp; Such a case has about as much credibility as barbarians who don't want to use rage calling for improvements elsewhere &amp; red dragon sorcerers who want to focus on cone of cold.There could be a solid case for a shift from damage towards 3.x god wizard style useless damage but awesome force multiplier by avoiding weapons, but you don't seem to be focusing on any of the things such a shift would require or how it could be done without also turning the solid DPR+stun chassis of the monk into an extremely overtuned thing.&nbsp; I haven't focused on &quot;UNARMED COMBAT&quot; because the weapon I used in the example is a d6 &amp; the martial arts die becomes a d6 at level 5 where the distinction between a 1d6+dex bludgeoning fist &amp; a 1d6+dex monk weapon&nbsp; deals identical damage.&nbsp; at 11 the martial arts die jumps to 1d8&nbsp; where both the fist and the quarterstaff deal 1d8+dex because &quot;[ispoiler]You can roll a d4 in place of the normal damage of your unarm ed strike or monk weapon. This die changes as you gain monk levels, as shown in the Martial Arts column of the Monk table.[/ispoiler]&quot;.&nbsp; There's literally only 4 levels where a monk with a quarterstaff deals more damage than one just using a fist &amp; those levels are ones where everyone is just starting out but monk is still doing pretty well because MA extra attack allows an extra attack when nobody has one.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8831492, member: 93670"] [USER=7035894]@Clint_L[/USER] If you want to make a case for flavor of using unarmed attacks damage output is a poor hill to plant that flag because gaining equipment & improving power with new equipment is a big part of d&d. Such a case has about as much credibility as barbarians who don't want to use rage calling for improvements elsewhere & red dragon sorcerers who want to focus on cone of cold. There could be a solid case for a shift from damage towards 3.x god wizard style useless damage but awesome force multiplier by avoiding weapons, but you don't seem to be focusing on any of the things such a shift would require or how it could be done without also turning the solid DPR+stun chassis of the monk into an extremely overtuned thing. I haven't focused on "[I]UNARMED COMBAT[/I]" because the weapon I used in the example is a d6 & the martial arts die becomes a d6 at level 5 where the distinction between a 1d6+dex bludgeoning fist & a 1d6+dex monk weapon deals identical damage. at 11 the martial arts die jumps to 1d8 where both the fist and the quarterstaff deal 1d8+dex because "[ispoiler][I]You can roll a d4 [B]in place of the normal damage of your unarm ed strike[U] or monk weapon[/U][/B]. This die changes as you gain monk levels, as shown in the Martial Arts column of the Monk table.[/I][/ispoiler]". There's literally only 4 levels where a monk with a quarterstaff deals more damage than one just using a fist & those levels are ones where everyone is just starting out but monk is still doing pretty well because MA extra attack allows an extra attack when nobody has one. [/QUOTE]

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