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<blockquote data-quote="Khorod" data-source="post: 669452" data-attributes="member: 1636"><p>Something that would simplify this class a lot is just to say its BAB & Ki strike ability stacks with the monk. The special abilities in this class are tradeoffs against the slew of other monk abilities it doesn't get.</p><p></p><p>Scry: I wonder why this is needed. He does really gain divination abilities, he doesn't need much magic to take the class, and so on. I suggest leaving it as cross-class.</p><p></p><p>Saving Throws: Given that this is the spymaster with magical training, it strikes me that this sort of monk might have a weak Fort save. His save will still be significantly better than a pure wizard's, but this guy is about being sneaky, and in that way is more rogueish.</p><p></p><p>One of the weak points of this class is the unfocused nature of its special abilities. If you look at the Arcane Archer, it advances some magic and gain a few amazing magical arrow abilities. The special abilities of this class feel like you had 3 or 4 different notions to put into a Monk PrC and went with all of them. A little cleanup can make it all work though. One key thing is lists of powers that include different ability trees are just very chaotic, so fixing abilities is a good thing.</p><p></p><p>The first approach is the monk's recognizability. His infiltration success. Under this is Common Look and Hide in Plain Sight. At the end of this post I argue about modifying Common Look, but I suggest dropping it. Between just putting your hood up, or applying the Disguise class skill, hiding in a crowd is really only an issue if you're in a police lineup. While an interesting power, its pretty weak and adds clutter. Hide in Plain Sight is an interesting stealth ability, fix it in as the 4th level power.</p><p></p><p>While Protection from Deux fits the Listralan philosophy, this is not a PrC for the champions of the Listralan way- its for Internal Affairs police right? I suggest the Champions against the Gods is a separate PrC entirely, and the guy who takes this PrC can take a couple levels of that one as well. Spell Resistance is just way over the top, even if its only against Divine Magic (which you don't explicitly say).</p><p></p><p>Extra & Greater Stunning Attack sound like feats. Maybe they should be feats?</p><p></p><p>The Ki Strike Specials are a list of the elemental charges... I don't know if those fit. I would try to include strikes like Bypassing Armor bonuses.</p><p></p><p>I realize this looks like I am burning the class. I am just trying to point out that you have a list of PrC abilities not entirely related to the PrC you are trying to make. They are all abilities you might find in a Listralan Alt.Monk. I suggest taking a hard look at the specific things you are trying to do. The reason the Arcane Archer works is that it is illustrating the archetypal Elven warrior in High Fantasy. This guy isn't an Archetype yet.</p><p></p><p>You have here:</p><p>Listralan Atheist: bonuses against Divine Magic and fightning clerics.</p><p>Listralan Enforcer: Keeps the fringe of the Listralan Order in line, infiltrating and giving beat-downs as necessary.</p><p>Listralan Warrior: Sheathes his body in the flaring energies of his chi in the form of fire or ice.</p><p>Listralan Mystic: Unites his Chi and Spells into One.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>__________________________</p><p></p><p>'Common look' type abilities have always rubbed me the wrong way. It basically means that if you said your character looked average, and acted average, you gain a special bonus when you get this PrC ability in being average? </p><p></p><p>I suggest adjusting the flavor, make it a Supernatural ability that causes memory of your face to quickly fade, granting you a bonus to hiding in crowds because your appearance swims in the mind's eye of searchers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Khorod, post: 669452, member: 1636"] Something that would simplify this class a lot is just to say its BAB & Ki strike ability stacks with the monk. The special abilities in this class are tradeoffs against the slew of other monk abilities it doesn't get. Scry: I wonder why this is needed. He does really gain divination abilities, he doesn't need much magic to take the class, and so on. I suggest leaving it as cross-class. Saving Throws: Given that this is the spymaster with magical training, it strikes me that this sort of monk might have a weak Fort save. His save will still be significantly better than a pure wizard's, but this guy is about being sneaky, and in that way is more rogueish. One of the weak points of this class is the unfocused nature of its special abilities. If you look at the Arcane Archer, it advances some magic and gain a few amazing magical arrow abilities. The special abilities of this class feel like you had 3 or 4 different notions to put into a Monk PrC and went with all of them. A little cleanup can make it all work though. One key thing is lists of powers that include different ability trees are just very chaotic, so fixing abilities is a good thing. The first approach is the monk's recognizability. His infiltration success. Under this is Common Look and Hide in Plain Sight. At the end of this post I argue about modifying Common Look, but I suggest dropping it. Between just putting your hood up, or applying the Disguise class skill, hiding in a crowd is really only an issue if you're in a police lineup. While an interesting power, its pretty weak and adds clutter. Hide in Plain Sight is an interesting stealth ability, fix it in as the 4th level power. While Protection from Deux fits the Listralan philosophy, this is not a PrC for the champions of the Listralan way- its for Internal Affairs police right? I suggest the Champions against the Gods is a separate PrC entirely, and the guy who takes this PrC can take a couple levels of that one as well. Spell Resistance is just way over the top, even if its only against Divine Magic (which you don't explicitly say). Extra & Greater Stunning Attack sound like feats. Maybe they should be feats? The Ki Strike Specials are a list of the elemental charges... I don't know if those fit. I would try to include strikes like Bypassing Armor bonuses. I realize this looks like I am burning the class. I am just trying to point out that you have a list of PrC abilities not entirely related to the PrC you are trying to make. They are all abilities you might find in a Listralan Alt.Monk. I suggest taking a hard look at the specific things you are trying to do. The reason the Arcane Archer works is that it is illustrating the archetypal Elven warrior in High Fantasy. This guy isn't an Archetype yet. You have here: Listralan Atheist: bonuses against Divine Magic and fightning clerics. Listralan Enforcer: Keeps the fringe of the Listralan Order in line, infiltrating and giving beat-downs as necessary. Listralan Warrior: Sheathes his body in the flaring energies of his chi in the form of fire or ice. Listralan Mystic: Unites his Chi and Spells into One. __________________________ 'Common look' type abilities have always rubbed me the wrong way. It basically means that if you said your character looked average, and acted average, you gain a special bonus when you get this PrC ability in being average? I suggest adjusting the flavor, make it a Supernatural ability that causes memory of your face to quickly fade, granting you a bonus to hiding in crowds because your appearance swims in the mind's eye of searchers. [/QUOTE]
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