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<blockquote data-quote="Technik4" data-source="post: 683362" data-attributes="member: 7211">I like it, definitely consolidates my ideas into one unified theme, as Khorod was advising me. I like the synergy between spells and fists, but I do bemoan the loss of the Ki Strike. Even with a spell charged, your BAB may be too low to hit, and in cases where you do, you may not penetrate DR. Also, escape artist might be an OK addition to their skill list, which is rather small.Another thing, is the BAB supposed to add up to +8?Well, for the last couple days I had been reasoning that my ideas need to be split into 2 prestige classes, one focused on the arcane, one more focused on intrigue and stealth.Listral SpyNot all monastaries devoted to Tia Listral have managed a smooth merging of the arcane and the body, some have learned to rely on stealth, their own sense of guile and charm, and a veil of secrecy. These agents serve the will of their superiors at the monastary, and some have been imbedded deep within noble houses and society at large...though few suspect this.Hit Die: D6Requirements:BAB: +4Skills: Bluff 8 ranks, Disguise 8 ranks, Hide 5 ranks, Move Silently 5 ranks.Feats: Inconspicuous*, Unarmed StrikeSpecial: You must vow to never again use a weapon other than yourself. Your body or your own ki must win the day, not material objects.Inconspicuous [Feat]You can blend in with the crowd, and know how to make yourself easily overlooked.Benefit: Bluff and Disguise are always class skills for you.Class Skills: Bluff (Cha), Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Disguise (Cha), Forgery (Int), Gather Information (Cha), Hide (Dex), Innuendo (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Listen (Wis), Move Silently (Dex), Open Locks (Dex), Perform (Cha), Pick Pockets (Dex), Profession (Wis), Read Lips (Int), Sense Motive (Wis), Spot (Wis).Skill Points at each Level: 4+INTLvl&nbsp; Att&nbsp; Frt&nbsp; Ref&nbsp; Wll&nbsp;&nbsp; Special&nbsp;1&nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp;&nbsp; +0&nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp;&nbsp; Monk Abilities, Uncanny Dodge &nbsp;2&nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp;&nbsp; +0&nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp;&nbsp; Sneak Attack +1d6&nbsp;3&nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp;&nbsp; +1&nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp;&nbsp; Spy Secret&nbsp;4&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp;&nbsp; +1&nbsp;&nbsp; +4&nbsp;&nbsp; +4&nbsp;&nbsp; Sneak Attack +2d6&nbsp;5&nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp;&nbsp; +1&nbsp;&nbsp; +4&nbsp;&nbsp; +4&nbsp;&nbsp; Ki Fist +1, Spy Secret&nbsp;6&nbsp; &nbsp; +4&nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp;&nbsp; Sneak Attack +3d6&nbsp;7&nbsp; &nbsp; +5&nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp;&nbsp; Ki Fist +2, Spy Secret&nbsp;8&nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp;&nbsp; +6&nbsp;&nbsp; +6&nbsp;&nbsp; Sneak Attack +4d6&nbsp;9&nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp;&nbsp; +6&nbsp;&nbsp; +6&nbsp;&nbsp; Ki Fist +3, Spy Secret&nbsp;10&nbsp; +7&nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp;&nbsp; +7&nbsp;&nbsp; +7&nbsp;&nbsp; Sneak Attack +5d6Weapon and Armor Proficiencies (And Restrictions): A Listral Spy gains no new weapon proficiencies, but does gain Light Armor Profiiciency and Proficiency with Bucklers. Donning armor may negate some bonuses (See Monk Abilities) but there is no penalty, immediately upon removing the offending garment, all monk abilities return.Monk Abilities: Whenever determining bonus speed, AC, or unarmed damage add levels in this prestige class to your monk levels. Your unarmed rate of attack is calculated by adding your monk BAB to your Listral Spy BAB. These monk abilities function in light armor, but previous monk abilities (Such as Stunning Attack, Flurry of Blows, etc) are subject to the armor clause as stated in the PHB.Uncanny Dodge: Stack all levels of Rogue and Listral Spy to determine total Uncanny Dodge abilities.Sneak Attack: As the rogue ability in the phb.Spy Secret: Choose 1 of the following abilities:-Common Look: When making a skill check with Bluff or Disguise the Listral Spy may take 10, even if stress and distractions would normally prevent her from doing so. She becomes so certain in her skill that she can use these skills reliably even under adverse conditions. -Hidden Agent: When making a skill check with Hide or Move Silently the Listral Spy may take 10, even if stress and distractions would normally prevent her from doing so. She becomes so certain in her skill that she can use these skills reliably even under adverse conditions. -Hide in Plain View (Su): Listral Spies can use the Hide skill even while being observed. As long as they are within 10 feet of someone else to hide behind, Listral Spies can hide themselves from view in the open without anything else to hide behind. They cannot, however, hide behind themselves.-Improved Evasion: As the rogue ability.-Listralan Feint: You may feint as a move-equivelent action instead of a standard action, but doing so incurs a -4 penalty to your bluff check.Ki Fist: Your fists are imbued with your own ki. They are treated as a magical weapon of the listed bonus in all respects except that they may not be sundered or disarmed.My first attempt at a rogue/monk prc, tell me what you think. It is decidedly Charisma-flavored, so sorceror levels would add some flair, but they are more political spies and assasins than they are magicians.Technik</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Technik4, post: 683362, member: 7211"] I like it, definitely consolidates my ideas into one unified theme, as Khorod was advising me. I like the synergy between spells and fists, but I do bemoan the loss of the Ki Strike. Even with a spell charged, your BAB may be too low to hit, and in cases where you do, you may not penetrate DR. Also, escape artist might be an OK addition to their skill list, which is rather small. Another thing, is the BAB supposed to add up to +8? Well, for the last couple days I had been reasoning that my ideas need to be split into 2 prestige classes, one focused on the arcane, one more focused on intrigue and stealth. Listral Spy Not all monastaries devoted to Tia Listral have managed a smooth merging of the arcane and the body, some have learned to rely on stealth, their own sense of guile and charm, and a veil of secrecy. These agents serve the will of their superiors at the monastary, and some have been imbedded deep within noble houses and society at large...though few suspect this. Hit Die: D6 Requirements: BAB: +4 Skills: Bluff 8 ranks, Disguise 8 ranks, Hide 5 ranks, Move Silently 5 ranks. Feats: Inconspicuous*, Unarmed Strike Special: You must vow to never again use a weapon other than yourself. Your body or your own ki must win the day, not material objects. Inconspicuous [Feat] You can blend in with the crowd, and know how to make yourself easily overlooked. Benefit: Bluff and Disguise are always class skills for you. Class Skills: Bluff (Cha), Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Disguise (Cha), Forgery (Int), Gather Information (Cha), Hide (Dex), Innuendo (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Listen (Wis), Move Silently (Dex), Open Locks (Dex), Perform (Cha), Pick Pockets (Dex), Profession (Wis), Read Lips (Int), Sense Motive (Wis), Spot (Wis). Skill Points at each Level: 4+INT Lvl Att Frt Ref Wll Special 1 +0 +0 +2 +2 Monk Abilities, Uncanny Dodge 2 +1 +0 +3 +3 Sneak Attack +1d6 3 +2 +1 +3 +3 Spy Secret 4 +3 +1 +4 +4 Sneak Attack +2d6 5 +3 +1 +4 +4 Ki Fist +1, Spy Secret 6 +4 +2 +5 +5 Sneak Attack +3d6 7 +5 +2 +5 +5 Ki Fist +2, Spy Secret 8 +6 +2 +6 +6 Sneak Attack +4d6 9 +6 +3 +6 +6 Ki Fist +3, Spy Secret 10 +7 +3 +7 +7 Sneak Attack +5d6 Weapon and Armor Proficiencies (And Restrictions): A Listral Spy gains no new weapon proficiencies, but does gain Light Armor Profiiciency and Proficiency with Bucklers. Donning armor may negate some bonuses (See Monk Abilities) but there is no penalty, immediately upon removing the offending garment, all monk abilities return. Monk Abilities: Whenever determining bonus speed, AC, or unarmed damage add levels in this prestige class to your monk levels. Your unarmed rate of attack is calculated by adding your monk BAB to your Listral Spy BAB. These monk abilities function in light armor, but previous monk abilities (Such as Stunning Attack, Flurry of Blows, etc) are subject to the armor clause as stated in the PHB. Uncanny Dodge: Stack all levels of Rogue and Listral Spy to determine total Uncanny Dodge abilities. Sneak Attack: As the rogue ability in the phb. Spy Secret: Choose 1 of the following abilities: -Common Look: When making a skill check with Bluff or Disguise the Listral Spy may take 10, even if stress and distractions would normally prevent her from doing so. She becomes so certain in her skill that she can use these skills reliably even under adverse conditions. -Hidden Agent: When making a skill check with Hide or Move Silently the Listral Spy may take 10, even if stress and distractions would normally prevent her from doing so. She becomes so certain in her skill that she can use these skills reliably even under adverse conditions. -Hide in Plain View (Su): Listral Spies can use the Hide skill even while being observed. As long as they are within 10 feet of someone else to hide behind, Listral Spies can hide themselves from view in the open without anything else to hide behind. They cannot, however, hide behind themselves. -Improved Evasion: As the rogue ability. -Listralan Feint: You may feint as a move-equivelent action instead of a standard action, but doing so incurs a -4 penalty to your bluff check. Ki Fist: Your fists are imbued with your own ki. They are treated as a magical weapon of the listed bonus in all respects except that they may not be sundered or disarmed. My first attempt at a rogue/monk prc, tell me what you think. It is decidedly Charisma-flavored, so sorceror levels would add some flair, but they are more political spies and assasins than they are magicians. Technik [/QUOTE]

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