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<blockquote data-quote="IceBear" data-source="post: 654675" data-attributes="member: 1118">evilbob: You're not offending me.&nbsp; Like I said, I'm cranky <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />I guess I have a pet peeve when someone says rule X/class X/spell X is unbalanced (but I've never actually used it) and then when people have actually used it basically states that it's not as bad as it seems on paper their EXPERIENCES seem to be ignored.I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but that's why I get a little cranky <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Anyway, despite what you say that the book evidence seems to counter these people's experiences, Silver Griffon has just posted another example of how it's not true.You're looking at the individual parts while those who have played monks are looking at the sum of those parts and have found the sum to be less than expected.IceBear</blockquote>

[QUOTE="IceBear, post: 654675, member: 1118"] evilbob: You're not offending me. Like I said, I'm cranky :D I guess I have a pet peeve when someone says rule X/class X/spell X is unbalanced (but I've never actually used it) and then when people have actually used it basically states that it's not as bad as it seems on paper their EXPERIENCES seem to be ignored. I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but that's why I get a little cranky :) Anyway, despite what you say that the book evidence seems to counter these people's experiences, Silver Griffon has just posted another example of how it's not true. You're looking at the individual parts while those who have played monks are looking at the sum of those parts and have found the sum to be less than expected. IceBear [/QUOTE]

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