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<blockquote data-quote="Gizzard" data-source="post: 664613" data-attributes="member: 527">Is this is a Monk?&nbsp; No, this is a Barbarian trapped in a Monks body.&nbsp; Seriously, what is this guys AC and HP from levels 1-6?&nbsp; Sure, you can finally deal damage like a real Fighter, but your AC is what - 11 or 12?&nbsp; And you are +0 on CON for HPs with d8 Hit Dice?&nbsp; Good luck standing in a fight with these stats.&nbsp; -other stuff-From the Good &amp; Bad of Monks discussion:&nbsp;I dont think I've ever stunned anyone with &quot;Stunningly Ineffective Fist&quot;.&nbsp; Once a round I get a shot to give some monster a lowish DC Fort save.&nbsp; A lot of low-level brute monsters are nothing but STR and CON.&nbsp; I had a Troll save on a 4 against me at 5th level.&nbsp; Jeez, why even risk being Rended in half for such a pathetic chance of success? &nbsp;Again, this requires STR.&nbsp; Trip a Bear or an Ogre?&nbsp; Ho ho ho.&nbsp; Only if you like them knocking you on your own butt. &nbsp; D-Door doesnt show up until 12th level, Etherealness isn't until like 20!&nbsp; Unless your DM lets you start at these levels, its going to be a long, grim set of sessions until you get the vaunted Monk &quot;mobility&quot;.&nbsp; I mean, until you get to 6th you can't even outrun the Barbarian.&nbsp;&nbsp; Mobility, blah.&nbsp; I never thought of it in such brutal terms before, but Ridley is right - at low level the Monk is barely contending with the Warrior.&nbsp; Back to the start of this discussion - should 3.5E throw him a bone?&nbsp; Definitely.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gizzard, post: 664613, member: 527"] Is this is a Monk? No, this is a Barbarian trapped in a Monks body. Seriously, what is this guys AC and HP from levels 1-6? Sure, you can finally deal damage like a real Fighter, but your AC is what - 11 or 12? And you are +0 on CON for HPs with d8 Hit Dice? Good luck standing in a fight with these stats. -other stuff- From the Good & Bad of Monks discussion: I dont think I've ever stunned anyone with "Stunningly Ineffective Fist". Once a round I get a shot to give some monster a lowish DC Fort save. A lot of low-level brute monsters are nothing but STR and CON. I had a Troll save on a 4 against me at 5th level. Jeez, why even risk being Rended in half for such a pathetic chance of success? Again, this requires STR. Trip a Bear or an Ogre? Ho ho ho. Only if you like them knocking you on your own butt. D-Door doesnt show up until 12th level, Etherealness isn't until like 20! Unless your DM lets you start at these levels, its going to be a long, grim set of sessions until you get the vaunted Monk "mobility". I mean, until you get to 6th you can't even outrun the Barbarian. Mobility, blah. I never thought of it in such brutal terms before, but Ridley is right - at low level the Monk is barely contending with the Warrior. Back to the start of this discussion - should 3.5E throw him a bone? Definitely. [/QUOTE]

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