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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7267666">Hmm...quote me where I used the words "huge" or "multitudes".  I'll settle for "large" and "many."  How about "big" or "lots"?  No?You are the one who used absolute language.  You said all weapons are equal, with no exceptions.  That is incorrect.  (You also claimed that nobody used versatile weapons 2H, which you seem to have now backed away from.) Exactly.  It's below budget, so it's a bad trade-off.  If your claim were true you would expect to see approximately as many whips as other 1H martial weapons.  But you don't.  Ergo, all weapons are not equal.In any event, this discussion about weapons is a distraction...an amusing distraction because it's fun watching you retreat from untenable hyperbole...but a distraction nonetheless.  The actual point here, that you repeatedly refuse to address (which I presume is because you don't have a retort) is that there are trade-offs in the game.  Such as giving up the most damaging weapons in order to play a class that has other kinds of damage bonuses, like Rogue or Monk.100% agree.Also totally true, if you are already used to handing out bonuses to players who ask for them.And so is letting them use the sword but only doing monk damage with it.Yup, that's all.I can totally see that.  In fact, I've long been wanting a Zen Archer sub-class, which would be perfect for elves, right?  So elven monks with longsword and longbow could be great.And none of that depends on giving them any extra damage.  Ok, maybe a Zen Archer sub-class could give bonuses, but in that case you're spending the opportunity cost of taking other sub-classes; you're not just getting bonuses for free.  In fact, that could solve the Longsword issue as well: homebrew a race-restricted sub-class in which the Longsword is a Monk weapon, and just make that the level 3 ability.Look, nowhere have I argued that the bonus damage itself is going to make much a difference, even though you keep saying that I do. I've explicitly, several times, said the opposite.  (Sorry if that's inconvenient for your argument.)  And there are many RAW builds in other classes that will still do more damage.  The point isn't that the d10 breaks the game, it's that I don't think you should start giving bonuses for character concept.  Make the concepts fit existing rules, not the other way around.  That's all.  Character concepts with bonuses are called "sub-classes", and you only get one of them.  (zomg...another trade-off!)You obviously disagree, and of course you are free to run your table however you want.  But the hyperbole and viciousness with which you mischaracterize my arguments don't really help your credibility.</blockquote>

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