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<blockquote data-quote="Drowbane" data-source="post: 2828578" data-attributes="member: 23396">Wow, you've boggled my mind.You're off your rocker! (no offense meant)&nbsp; Monk is the worst class you could make on 25pts! It needs alot more decent stats than a Fighter or Rogue or Barbarian or Wizard or... Fighter drops the bulk of his pts in Str, some in Dex and Con and then go for Full Plate and a big weapon... they're good to go!&nbsp; Give the Rogue a rocking Dex, a chain shirt and a rapier (with finesse) and they're done.&nbsp; The Monk needs two 18s to manage an 18 AC.&nbsp; A fighter can do that with a 12 Dex and heavy armor while a Rogue can manage that with a single 18 (not hard for a halfling or elf) and Chainshirt.&nbsp; If anything, the 25pts begs for min/maxing more than high point games.&nbsp; On fewer points you have to min/max or risk being useless.&nbsp; On 32+ you can afford to have a fighter with some decent mental stats... and you can actually have a monk who isn't a complete joke.Hussar, for my sanity I'm going to assume that you were joking.I know the DMG claims that 25pts in &quot;standard&quot; and is what is expected to match the CR System... but frankly thats bananas. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Drowbane, post: 2828578, member: 23396"] Wow, you've boggled my mind. You're off your rocker! (no offense meant) Monk is the worst class you could make on 25pts! It needs alot more decent stats than a Fighter or Rogue or Barbarian or Wizard or... Fighter drops the bulk of his pts in Str, some in Dex and Con and then go for Full Plate and a big weapon... they're good to go! Give the Rogue a rocking Dex, a chain shirt and a rapier (with finesse) and they're done. The Monk needs two 18s to manage an 18 AC. A fighter can do that with a 12 Dex and heavy armor while a Rogue can manage that with a single 18 (not hard for a halfling or elf) and Chainshirt. If anything, the 25pts begs for min/maxing more than high point games. On fewer points you have to min/max or risk being useless. On 32+ you can afford to have a fighter with some decent mental stats... and you can actually have a monk who isn't a complete joke. Hussar, for my sanity I'm going to assume that you were joking. I know the DMG claims that 25pts in "standard" and is what is expected to match the CR System... but frankly thats bananas. :p [/QUOTE]

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