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<blockquote data-quote="Jedi_Solo" data-source="post: 2832648" data-attributes="member: 40245">Just to throw in my two copper pieces:I like:&nbsp; -The Flurry of Blows idea (if not the execution)-The Unarmed Damage scale-The other abilities it gains Dislike:-Medium BAB (Flurry of Blows gets called Flurry of Misses for a reason)-&quot;Forced&quot; Flavor (Sure, you can change the flavor, but the abilities (especially Ki point to Eastern Style))I would say go the feat route for the Martial Arts abilities.&nbsp; This might make the Fighter a better unarmed fighter than the monk.&nbsp; So what?&nbsp; That is what the fighter does.&nbsp; Monks would still have the extra stuff.&nbsp; I like the way the Star Wars d20 did this (I think Modern is the same basic idea, but I could be wrong).&nbsp; There is a set of basic Unarmed feats.&nbsp; The first lets you do unarmed without AoO with 1d4 damage and a crit threat range of 20 (keep in mind Star Wars uses VP/WP and armor as DR).&nbsp; The second &quot;basic&quot; feat has you do 2d4 damage with a criit range of 19-20 and the third is 3d4 with 18-20.Then there are Style Feat sets.&nbsp; One is the Flurry of Blows style.&nbsp; One gets past armor and DR (punch a hole in a Space Ship with your bare hands), one is a Barabrian like style to rip enemies to shreads style (wookie unarmed combat).&nbsp; Each has three levels.&nbsp; Each style level requires the equivalent &quot;basic&quot; feat (the first &quot;flurry&quot; feat has a prereq of the first &quot;basic&quot; feat and so on).What would this style leave for the monk?&nbsp; Slow Fall is nice to have.&nbsp; Increased speed is very nice.&nbsp;&nbsp; I wouldn't mind seeing these split into paths as weel, like the Ranger TWF/Ranged.&nbsp; You want an earstern style?&nbsp; Take the Stunning Fist path.&nbsp; Want a Cloistered Cleric?&nbsp; Maybe there could be a Knowledge paths (bonus to Knowledge Checks and a Bardic Knowledge ability).This would allow a lot of variety to the martial artists.&nbsp; Some would brawlers (with decent damage and full BAB), some would break through walls with their bare hands and some would be street fighters who rip arms off of people because they lose a board game.&nbsp; This would still allow for the meditative clear minded style monk, who may not be the best street fighter in existance - has a load of other abilities that help keep them in the fight.Just my take on the issue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jedi_Solo, post: 2832648, member: 40245"] Just to throw in my two copper pieces: I like: -The Flurry of Blows idea (if not the execution) -The Unarmed Damage scale -The other abilities it gains Dislike: -Medium BAB (Flurry of Blows gets called Flurry of Misses for a reason) -"Forced" Flavor (Sure, you can change the flavor, but the abilities (especially [I]Ki[/I] point to Eastern Style)) I would say go the feat route for the Martial Arts abilities. This might make the Fighter a better unarmed fighter than the monk. So what? That is what the fighter does. Monks would still have the extra stuff. I like the way the Star Wars d20 did this (I think Modern is the same basic idea, but I could be wrong). There is a set of basic Unarmed feats. The first lets you do unarmed without AoO with 1d4 damage and a crit threat range of 20 (keep in mind Star Wars uses VP/WP and armor as DR). The second "basic" feat has you do 2d4 damage with a criit range of 19-20 and the third is 3d4 with 18-20. Then there are Style Feat sets. One is the Flurry of Blows style. One gets past armor and DR (punch a hole in a Space Ship with your bare hands), one is a Barabrian like style to rip enemies to shreads style (wookie unarmed combat). Each has three levels. Each style level requires the equivalent "basic" feat (the first "flurry" feat has a prereq of the first "basic" feat and so on). What would this style leave for the monk? Slow Fall is nice to have. Increased speed is very nice. I wouldn't mind seeing these split into paths as weel, like the Ranger TWF/Ranged. You want an earstern style? Take the Stunning Fist path. Want a Cloistered Cleric? Maybe there could be a Knowledge paths (bonus to Knowledge Checks and a Bardic Knowledge ability). This would allow a lot of variety to the martial artists. Some would brawlers (with decent damage and full BAB), some would break through walls with their bare hands and some would be street fighters who rip arms off of people because they lose a board game. This would still allow for the meditative clear minded style monk, who may not be the best street fighter in existance - has a load of other abilities that help keep them in the fight. Just my take on the issue. [/QUOTE]

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