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<blockquote data-quote="FireLance" data-source="post: 2833502" data-attributes="member: 3424">Of course the results change if the assumptions change. But the math shows you what is causing the problem, and hopefully, how to fix it.I picked AC 35 and AC 40 because these were the typical ACs of fairly iconic CR 20 monsters. Within this range of ACs, the monk does not fare too badly against the fighter when he gets to make a full attack and do a flurry of blows (and if the monk never gets to use his flurry of blows, it's about as bad as a rogue never getting to use his sneak attack).The problem happens when the DM decides to tweak his challenges and presents the party with ACs of 45 and up, especially during the BBEG fights. This disadvantages the monk more than the fighter, and so the player feels he's got a useless character.The monk's weakness is not as obvious as that of other character types, and may get inadventently exploited by a DM who thinks that the best way to make a fight challenging is to ensure that the best fighter (or the raging barbarian) misses the opponent 50% of the time with his best attack.&nbsp; That leaves paladins and rangers missing the opponent about 25% of the time with their best attacks, and everyone else hoping for a natural 20.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FireLance, post: 2833502, member: 3424"] Of course the results change if the assumptions change. But the math shows you what is causing the problem, and hopefully, how to fix it. I picked AC 35 and AC 40 because these were the typical ACs of fairly iconic CR 20 monsters. Within this range of ACs, the monk does not fare too badly against the fighter when he gets to make a full attack and do a flurry of blows (and if the monk never gets to use his flurry of blows, it's about as bad as a rogue never getting to use his sneak attack). The problem happens when the DM decides to tweak his challenges and presents the party with ACs of 45 and up, especially during the BBEG fights. This disadvantages the monk more than the fighter, and so the player feels he's got a useless character. The monk's weakness is not as obvious as that of other character types, and may get inadventently exploited by a DM who thinks that the best way to make a fight challenging is to ensure that the best fighter (or the raging barbarian) misses the opponent 50% of the time with his best attack. That leaves paladins and rangers missing the opponent about 25% of the time with their best attacks, and everyone else hoping for a natural 20. [/QUOTE]

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