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<blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 2834099" data-attributes="member: 1165">Are you including a Wisdom-boosting item? That takes up the same slot as the mighty fists.The last one here is the outlier.If we're not counting the outlier here, the monk is nearly always weaker. Not entirely useless, as you pointed out, but clearly inferior.Some of which people still complain about, due to their inflexibility. (It's kind of weird - hardly anyone ever complains about the barbarian's abilities, or even the D20 Modern Martial Artist's abilities, even though you don't get to choose them, either. I think WotC chose the monk's abilities poorly, even if they're not all weak.) Also, what do these abilities do? Nothing to support a martial artist, which is one reason I think the class should be split.At what cost? Headbutt, two fists, two elbows, two knees, two feet, etc. I don't know about you, but I don't want to spend nine days sitting still while a druid enhances me as a +3 weapon.The monk is getting less value out of these items. Bracers of Armor +4 costs 16,000 gp and give you +4 AC. Full plate +3 costs 10,500 gp or thereabout and gives you +11 AC.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="(Psi)SeveredHead, post: 2834099, member: 1165"] Are you including a Wisdom-boosting item? That takes up the same slot as the mighty fists. The last one here is the outlier. If we're not counting the outlier here, the monk is nearly always weaker. Not entirely useless, as you pointed out, but clearly inferior. Some of which people still complain about, due to their inflexibility. (It's kind of weird - hardly anyone ever complains about the barbarian's abilities, or even the D20 Modern Martial Artist's abilities, even though you don't get to choose them, either. I think WotC chose the monk's abilities poorly, even if they're not all weak.) Also, what do these abilities [i]do[/i]? Nothing to support a martial artist, which is one reason I think the class should be split. At what cost? Headbutt, two fists, two elbows, two knees, two feet, etc. I don't know about you, but I don't want to spend nine days sitting still while a druid enhances me as a +3 weapon. The monk is getting less value out of these items. Bracers of Armor +4 costs 16,000 gp and give you +4 AC. Full plate +3 costs 10,500 gp or thereabout and gives you +11 AC. [/QUOTE]

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