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<blockquote data-quote="Blastin" data-source="post: 2835922" data-attributes="member: 4989">one little point about the monk vs fighter that I think people are missing is all the monk defenses. I mostly DM, and let me tell you, monks are damn hard to kill/take out of the fight. Even at mid levels you have the best saves in the party, evasion/improved evasion, probably the best touch ac in the party, resistance to enchantments above and beyond the good saves, immunities to poison/disease....&nbsp; Sure, in a one on one fight a fighter is gonna hand a monk his rear. But when you have a fighter and a monk in the party, and are going against a mixed group of opponents, the fighter might do more damage/hit more often, but chances are that the monk is gonna be standing when the fighter is taken out. &nbsp; Wanna take out a fighter...hit him with a will save spell, attack him with spells/incorporeal attacks that target touch AC, hit him with area spells/reflex saves, hit him with poison enough to make him miss a save..... and then try those same options angainst the monk....and at high levels with SR it gets even harder to take the monk out of the fight.&nbsp; I think people don't take these things into consideration enough when looking at monk's effectiveness.....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blastin, post: 2835922, member: 4989"] one little point about the monk vs fighter that I think people are missing is all the monk defenses. I mostly DM, and let me tell you, monks are damn hard to kill/take out of the fight. Even at mid levels you have the best saves in the party, evasion/improved evasion, probably the best touch ac in the party, resistance to enchantments above and beyond the good saves, immunities to poison/disease.... Sure, in a one on one fight a fighter is gonna hand a monk his rear. But when you have a fighter and a monk in the party, and are going against a mixed group of opponents, the fighter might do more damage/hit more often, but chances are that the monk is gonna be standing when the fighter is taken out. Wanna take out a fighter...hit him with a will save spell, attack him with spells/incorporeal attacks that target touch AC, hit him with area spells/reflex saves, hit him with poison enough to make him miss a save..... and then try those same options angainst the monk....and at high levels with SR it gets even harder to take the monk out of the fight. I think people don't take these things into consideration enough when looking at monk's effectiveness..... [/QUOTE]

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