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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mad Mac" data-source="post: 2837055" data-attributes="member: 27873">Right. The "Stealthy Grappler" routine isn't a bad strategy, but it's not something that will consistantly help the party.  Whereas a joke AC is going to be a serious detriment 90% of the time for a melee combatent like the monk. If you have an AC of 13, you aren't just worried about Fighters hitting you, you're constantly a knife edge away from getting fragged by goblins.  Now, of course, you could go the opposite route. Play an Elf Monk with a stat array of  St 12 Dex 17 Con 11 In 10 Wis 14 Cha 8. Congratulations. Now you have a starting AC of 15. You also can't hit the broad side of a barn, grapple, or do any appreciable damage.   There's a number of possible monk builds, some better than others. But all the ones I've seen end up fairly weak in the end. I don't think Monks need some monster buff. But they could use a little help.</blockquote>