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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mad Mac" data-source="post: 2838622" data-attributes="member: 27873">Ranger is a very good counter example. I think it's the sheer number of special abilities that make people uneasy with Monks being better fighters. Really though, a lot of those abilities are just geared towards making unarmed/unarmored combat viable. I mean, if we break it down...  Unarmed Damage, Wis Bonus to AC, Class bonus to AC, Unarmed Damage Reduction. These don't make the monk stronger than other class, it's just makes their fighting style not completely suicidal.   Flurry of Blows. Designed to offset the lower BaB. It's a pretty cool idea, but the Monk's trouble with building up a decent attack bonus hampers it. Obviously you can't have Flurry and Full BAB, though. Flurry also has the advantage of channeling the monk towards certain weapons. If they had full BAB, there's no reason not to start swinging a greatsword. Main reason I'd rather make it easier to enchant unarmed strikes than go the Full BaB route.   Actual Special abilities:Evasion/Improved Evasion+2 Bonus vs Enchantment Spells.3 bonus FeatsEnhanced MovementSlow FallImmune to Disease (sorta)Immune to PoisonHeal self 2HP/level 1/daySpell ResistanceDimension Door 1/daySave or Die 1/week (with other restrictions)Talk to AnythingLimited Eathereal JauntDR 10/magicBe a Buff Old GeezerRanger:+22 Dam divided up against favored enemies3 Bonus Combat FeatsTrackEnduranceAnimal DiplomacyAnimal CompanionWoodland StrideSwift TrackerEvasion CamoflaugeHide in Plain SightSpellcasting up to 4th level. Hard to say. Both classes have great abilities, and filler abilities. Lets try Paladin:Detect Evil at WillSmite Evil 5/dayDivine GraceLay on HandsAura of CourageDivine HealthTurn UndeadSpecial MountRemove DiseaseSpellcasting up to 4th level.  I'd be hard pressed to say the Monk's special abilities are signifigantly better, honestly. Though they do include some very unique advantages.</blockquote>

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