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<blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 2839965" data-attributes="member: 1165"><p>RAngers have full BAB and can get affordable magic weapons. (A pair of short swords costs less than the amulet.) Furthermore, most rangers are archer rangers, as TWF rangers are quite weak.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why is the ranger's attack only one point higher? What sort of gear did he buy? Didn't he take Weapon Finesse?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>TWF rangers do suck. Fortunately they have (minimal) options which still end up giving them more flexibility than the monk.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The math is very complex. 11/6/1 is better, especially in play. Last time I checked, you don't get to stand and trade full-round attacks every round. Enemies move. Allies move. The battle flows all over the place. And when you're an archery class (as the TWF ranger is weak), just maybe you can shoot things with a full-round attack <em>every round</em>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Look at the 10th-level example above. Not counting the obvious outlier, the animated object, the monk is disadvantaged most of the time, unless you think most CR 10 creatures have excessively high AC.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which is a good strategy not unique to the monk.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not a serious problem, especially once the fighter's BAB and superior equipment gives him more than +4 to hit over the monk anyway <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> A triptastic fighter is a little MAD, but he only needs to worry about one extra stat, rather than four. The fighter's AC is going to be just as good, unless he went for the mechanically inferior swashbuckler option.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I must have missed that rule.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That still puts the monk 5 points behind - the fighter is also taking Weapon Focus and Greater Weapon Focus.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="(Psi)SeveredHead, post: 2839965, member: 1165"] RAngers have full BAB and can get affordable magic weapons. (A pair of short swords costs less than the amulet.) Furthermore, most rangers are archer rangers, as TWF rangers are quite weak. Why is the ranger's attack only one point higher? What sort of gear did he buy? Didn't he take Weapon Finesse? TWF rangers do suck. Fortunately they have (minimal) options which still end up giving them more flexibility than the monk. The math is very complex. 11/6/1 is better, especially in play. Last time I checked, you don't get to stand and trade full-round attacks every round. Enemies move. Allies move. The battle flows all over the place. And when you're an archery class (as the TWF ranger is weak), just maybe you can shoot things with a full-round attack [i]every round[/i]. Look at the 10th-level example above. Not counting the obvious outlier, the animated object, the monk is disadvantaged most of the time, unless you think most CR 10 creatures have excessively high AC. Which is a good strategy not unique to the monk. Not a serious problem, especially once the fighter's BAB and superior equipment gives him more than +4 to hit over the monk anyway :) A triptastic fighter is a little MAD, but he only needs to worry about one extra stat, rather than four. The fighter's AC is going to be just as good, unless he went for the mechanically inferior swashbuckler option. I must have missed that rule. That still puts the monk 5 points behind - the fighter is also taking Weapon Focus and Greater Weapon Focus. [/QUOTE]
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