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<blockquote data-quote="jcfiala" data-source="post: 2848398" data-attributes="member: 6223">Oh, alright.&nbsp; If we're rewriting the rules so that a monk can gain reasonably priced enhancements to their unarmed attacks, including many of the same extra-damage enhancements that other attackers can get, then I agree that a monk's damage should be drasticly reduced.I'm just saying that looking at the Rules As Written, the Monk's high damage potential makes sense.&nbsp; And a 2d8-2d10 range of hand to hand damage in a 15th-20th level monk doesn't squick my suspension of disbelief in a game where 20th level wizards are casting Wish, Fighters are hitting with a +35-+40 attack, and Rogues get to add 10d6 to their sneak attacks.How is it an 'improved TWF' when their chance of hitting is lower than that of a similarly tricked out Ranger with the TWF path?&nbsp; Someone went over the numbers upthread, and it was pretty obvious the Monk's flurry had lower chances of hitting than the Ranger with TWF.Actually, I think that was 1d20 + 1d6 damage, in 3.0.&nbsp; I seem to remember the 3.0 monk going up along the single dice, although I don't have a PHB on hand to check, and it's almost impossible to find the 3.0 SRD these days.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jcfiala, post: 2848398, member: 6223"] Oh, alright. If we're rewriting the rules so that a monk can gain reasonably priced enhancements to their unarmed attacks, including many of the same extra-damage enhancements that other attackers can get, then I agree that a monk's damage should be drasticly reduced. I'm just saying that looking at the Rules As Written, the Monk's high damage potential makes sense. And a 2d8-2d10 range of hand to hand damage in a 15th-20th level monk doesn't squick my suspension of disbelief in a game where 20th level wizards are casting Wish, Fighters are hitting with a +35-+40 attack, and Rogues get to add 10d6 to their sneak attacks. How is it an 'improved TWF' when their chance of hitting is lower than that of a similarly tricked out Ranger with the TWF path? Someone went over the numbers upthread, and it was pretty obvious the Monk's flurry had lower chances of hitting than the Ranger with TWF. Actually, I think that was 1d20 + 1d6 damage, in 3.0. I seem to remember the 3.0 monk going up along the single dice, although I don't have a PHB on hand to check, and it's almost impossible to find the 3.0 SRD these days. [/QUOTE]

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