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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sm!le" data-source="post: 9241642" data-attributes="member: 7043611">Monks exhibit proficiency with both "Gauntlets" and the "Strike, Unarmed" weapons in Pathfinder, despite the absence of explicit mentions in the weapon proficiency list. To challenge this would imply that monks are not proficient with the "Strike, Unarmed" weapon either because they are also not listed. If one argues that proficiency requires feats such as "Simple Weapon Proficiency (Weapon: Gauntlet)," consistency would demand the addition of a corresponding "Simple Weapon Proficiency (Weapon: Strike, Unarmed)" feat. Failure to acquire such feats would result in a -4 penalty on attack rolls for "Unarmed Strikes." Notably, the "Improved Unarmed Strike (Combat)" feat, while enhancing unarmed strikes, does not confer proficiency with the specific weapon "Strike, Unarmed."Monks are proficient with the weapons “Gauntlets” and “Strike, Unarmed” even though it doesn’t say they are proficient with ether in the weapon proficiency list. If you do not agree with that then technically, a monk isn’t proficient with “Strike, Unarmed” weapon either. If you say they have to get a feat like “Simple Weapon Proficiency (Gauntlet)” then they would also have to get the feat “Simple Weapon Proficiency (Strike, Unarmed)” or they would be taking –4 penalty on attack rolls even for a “Unarmed Strike.” Because the feat “Improved Unarmed Strike (Combat)” doesn’t also give them proficiency with the weapon “Strike, Unarmed”.Pathfinder: Core Rulebook: Page 57Monk “Weapon and Armor Proficiency: Monks are proficientwith the club, crossbow (light or heavy), dagger, handaxe,javelin, kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shortspear,short sword, shuriken, siangham, sling, and spear.Monks are not proficient with any armor or shields.When wearing armor, using a shield, or carrying amedium or heavy load, a monk loses his AC bonus, as wellas his fast movement and flurry of blows abilities.”Pathfinder: Core Rulebook: Page 146“Gauntlet: This metal glove lets you deal lethal damagerather than nonlethal damage with unarmed strikes. Astrike with a gauntlet is otherwise considered an unarmedattack. The cost and weight given are for a single gauntlet.Medium and heavy armors (except breastplate) come withgauntlets. Your opponent cannot use a disarm action todisarm you of gauntlets. ”Pathfinder: Core Rulebook: Page 149“Strike, Unarmed: A Medium character deals 1d3 pointsof nonlethal damage with an unarmed strike. A Smallcharacter deals 1d2 points of nonlethal damage. A monkor any character with the Improved Unarmed Strike featcan deal lethal or nonlethal damage with unarmed strikes,at his discretion. The damage from an unarmed strike isconsidered weapon damage for the purposes of effects thatgive you a bonus on weapon damage rolls.An unarmed strike is always considered a light weapon.Therefore, you can use the Weapon Finesse feat to applyyour Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifierto attack rolls with an unarmed strike.”</blockquote>

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