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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1559555" data-attributes="member: 478">It's just a minor class of attacks, though.And one, that often denies other entire classes of attacks (even multiple ones), don't forget that.That's not the same... unarmed attacks are still possible, just a sub-part of unarmed attacks (grappling) is not. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />But yeah, the automatic success is harsh. Especially since it is only a 4th level spell.Wizards tend to be smart... casting TT before any other buffs is not going to happen. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />And, of course, there are methods to shut it down (like imbue familiar with spell ability (dispel magic)), just in case.I'd assume that every high-level wizard is prepared for such an encounter at pretty much all times.BTW, are AMFs allowed there? Guess not... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />But then not you are the Mage-Killer, but the party as a whole... the monk is just a little (and redundant to this task) part of it.Well, take a look at the wizard spell list... then take a look at the monk's divination methods.We'll assume, that both have items and so both can have the same benefit from those (altho it's likely, that the wizard will have more, since the monk needs items to boost his combat capabilities, wizards usually use up more of their resources for defense).So, no, it's not a huge assumption, it's almost granted.One other thing... Initiative is really a huge factor here (altho only, if the monk has an AMF, otherwise it's almost irrelevant, as he will not be able to prevent the wizard from casting otherwise and is not able to kill the wizard in one round usually, and once the wizard can act, it's over pretty much).BTW, one thing I wondered about... when you are in a grapple... do touch attacks hit automatically? They should do so, or not?ByeThanee</blockquote>

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