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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5741275" data-attributes="member: 35909"><p>At low levels, he might be. But by mid levels, the best wizard killer is another wizard or cleric. High speed and Improved Grapple will only get you so far.</p><p></p><p>Most of monk's benefits are defensive, but they don't protect against nearly all the awful things a wizard can do to you, so you can't count on the SR and high saves to protect you. And offensively monk is just bad.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The best non-caster caster killers are more like this:</p><p></p><p>1) Imperious Command demoralizer, preferably Barbarian with Intimidating Rage feat and either Instantaneous Rage feat or the Ferocity variant: chain-locks the mage so he can't do anything at all, and with the barb stuff, can use it out of turn to disrupt his action.</p><p></p><p>2) Horrendously large reach + Mage Slayer line of feats + Thicket of Blades stance + Stand Still feat (optional): Pretty simple. Make yourself into a difficult terrain effect. Won't work if the wizard has teleportation magic or can go ethereal, so getting a dimensional anchor effect or the like on your weapon greatly helps.</p><p></p><p>3) Whisper Gnome sneak attacker (doesn't have to be a rogue) with Darkstalker feat, Silencing Strike feat, and Extra Silence. Sneak up so he never sees you coming, and cut his throat so he's silenced, then finish him off.</p><p></p><p>4) Uber charger build with flight and pounce, and as many initiative boosters as possible: Pretty simple. Become the melee equivalent of an "instant death" spell... If you can get to act first and he doesn't have Celerity, Abrupt Jaunt, or the like (pretty unlikely if he's really optimized...), he just plain dies.</p><p></p><p>That's more along the lines of how to stop a caster.</p><p></p><p>And again, it's easier to just be a caster yourself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5741275, member: 35909"] At low levels, he might be. But by mid levels, the best wizard killer is another wizard or cleric. High speed and Improved Grapple will only get you so far. Most of monk's benefits are defensive, but they don't protect against nearly all the awful things a wizard can do to you, so you can't count on the SR and high saves to protect you. And offensively monk is just bad. The best non-caster caster killers are more like this: 1) Imperious Command demoralizer, preferably Barbarian with Intimidating Rage feat and either Instantaneous Rage feat or the Ferocity variant: chain-locks the mage so he can't do anything at all, and with the barb stuff, can use it out of turn to disrupt his action. 2) Horrendously large reach + Mage Slayer line of feats + Thicket of Blades stance + Stand Still feat (optional): Pretty simple. Make yourself into a difficult terrain effect. Won't work if the wizard has teleportation magic or can go ethereal, so getting a dimensional anchor effect or the like on your weapon greatly helps. 3) Whisper Gnome sneak attacker (doesn't have to be a rogue) with Darkstalker feat, Silencing Strike feat, and Extra Silence. Sneak up so he never sees you coming, and cut his throat so he's silenced, then finish him off. 4) Uber charger build with flight and pounce, and as many initiative boosters as possible: Pretty simple. Become the melee equivalent of an "instant death" spell... If you can get to act first and he doesn't have Celerity, Abrupt Jaunt, or the like (pretty unlikely if he's really optimized...), he just plain dies. That's more along the lines of how to stop a caster. And again, it's easier to just be a caster yourself. [/QUOTE]
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