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<blockquote data-quote="Arrowhawk" data-source="post: 5742493" data-attributes="member: 6679551"><p>Unlike Visigani, these threads amuse me because they always dissolve into the same format:</p><p></p><p>A: I do this..</p><p>B: Well, I have a spell trick that counters that.</p><p></p><p>This is typical of any discussion involving a Wizard/Sorc when someone suggests a way to beat them.</p><p></p><p>What's overlooked by B is that having the right spell requires perfect information...which in real life, a Wizard would not have. The inevitable counter argument is that the Wizard will be casting Foresight. That spell lasts 200 minutes at 20th level. With a 44 int, you're getting 8 9th level spells. So if you run Foresight 24-7, you're not casting any other 9th level spells and that cuts into any metamagic'd spells at lower levels. Of course here come all the magic items to the rescue e.g. Pearls of Power, wands, scrolls, etc.</p><p></p><p>Greylord, you're never going to convince people with words that a Wizard could lose. But your instincts are correct. Within a campaign, you have plausibility on your side. Anyone who is going to take out a Wizard at high level is not going to slap him in the face and challenge him to a duel. He's going to plan it out. Make sure the Wizard doesn't know what to expect. Use magic to make sure the Wizard doesn't see it coming or to mislead the Wizard to expect A while instead attacking the Wizard with Z. </p><p></p><p>And of course you have to get the Wizard in to an anti-magic zone. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Can a grappled Wizard escape from an anti-magic zone? Undoubtedly the answer is he would never get caught in one ;-)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arrowhawk, post: 5742493, member: 6679551"] Unlike Visigani, these threads amuse me because they always dissolve into the same format: A: I do this.. B: Well, I have a spell trick that counters that. This is typical of any discussion involving a Wizard/Sorc when someone suggests a way to beat them. What's overlooked by B is that having the right spell requires perfect information...which in real life, a Wizard would not have. The inevitable counter argument is that the Wizard will be casting Foresight. That spell lasts 200 minutes at 20th level. With a 44 int, you're getting 8 9th level spells. So if you run Foresight 24-7, you're not casting any other 9th level spells and that cuts into any metamagic'd spells at lower levels. Of course here come all the magic items to the rescue e.g. Pearls of Power, wands, scrolls, etc. Greylord, you're never going to convince people with words that a Wizard could lose. But your instincts are correct. Within a campaign, you have plausibility on your side. Anyone who is going to take out a Wizard at high level is not going to slap him in the face and challenge him to a duel. He's going to plan it out. Make sure the Wizard doesn't know what to expect. Use magic to make sure the Wizard doesn't see it coming or to mislead the Wizard to expect A while instead attacking the Wizard with Z. And of course you have to get the Wizard in to an anti-magic zone. :) Can a grappled Wizard escape from an anti-magic zone? Undoubtedly the answer is he would never get caught in one ;-) [/QUOTE]
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