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<blockquote data-quote="Dandu" data-source="post: 5742676" data-attributes="member: 85158"><p>But as <em>I</em> have already covered, you do very little once you move up to the wizard and start hitting him. This is <em>not</em> an effective tactic for mageslaying.</p><p>Mages generally have good Dex, can take Improved Initiative just like the monk, and have spells like Nerveskitter and Contingency to boot. I would not be so sure as you that the monk will have higher initiative.</p><p>Explain how you are going to one shot him, as you can only make a single melee attack after tumbling up to him with your high speed. It's clearly not going to be through damage or grappling, so I'm going to assume Stunning Fist or Quivering Palm. Given that the fort save of the level 10 sorcerer I posted was enough to succeed against the Stunning Fist DC of the level 10 monk I posted on a 9 or higher (60% chance of success), I would not call that a "high" chance of success.</p><p>As I have pointed out, the buffs I assumed on the sorcerer last for <strong>hours</strong>. That is quite a long duration... or are you going to call having Mage Armor up before combat starts unfair now?</p><p>One spell is often all it takes to decisively turn the tide of battle.You know there are tons of spells that offer no saves, or screw you even on a save right? A quick list: Web, Sleet Storm, Solid Fog, Wall of Ice, Wall of Force, Wall of Stone.</p><p></p><p>Also, why are you assuming the monk has a party with him? Surely such a great mageslayer as the monk doesn't need three other people to take out an enemy of the same level... does he?</p><p>Yes, and for the same amount of effort you could make a wizard who slays the gods. Monk still loses out.</p><p><strong>Villain, be sure thou prove the monk a stalwart,</strong></p><p><strong>Be sure of it. Give me the ocular proof</strong></p><p><strong>Or by the worth of mine eternal soul</strong></p><p><strong>Thou hadst been better have been born a dog</strong></p><p><strong>Than answer my waked wrath!</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong>Make me to see ’t, or at the least so prove it</strong></p><p><strong>That the probation bear no hinge nor loop</strong></p><p><strong>To hang a doubt on, or woe upon thy life!</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dandu, post: 5742676, member: 85158"] But as [I]I[/I] have already covered, you do very little once you move up to the wizard and start hitting him. This is [I]not[/I] an effective tactic for mageslaying. Mages generally have good Dex, can take Improved Initiative just like the monk, and have spells like Nerveskitter and Contingency to boot. I would not be so sure as you that the monk will have higher initiative. Explain how you are going to one shot him, as you can only make a single melee attack after tumbling up to him with your high speed. It's clearly not going to be through damage or grappling, so I'm going to assume Stunning Fist or Quivering Palm. Given that the fort save of the level 10 sorcerer I posted was enough to succeed against the Stunning Fist DC of the level 10 monk I posted on a 9 or higher (60% chance of success), I would not call that a "high" chance of success. As I have pointed out, the buffs I assumed on the sorcerer last for [B]hours[/B]. That is quite a long duration... or are you going to call having Mage Armor up before combat starts unfair now? One spell is often all it takes to decisively turn the tide of battle.You know there are tons of spells that offer no saves, or screw you even on a save right? A quick list: Web, Sleet Storm, Solid Fog, Wall of Ice, Wall of Force, Wall of Stone. Also, why are you assuming the monk has a party with him? Surely such a great mageslayer as the monk doesn't need three other people to take out an enemy of the same level... does he? Yes, and for the same amount of effort you could make a wizard who slays the gods. Monk still loses out. [B]Villain, be sure thou prove the monk a stalwart,[/B] [B]Be sure of it. Give me the ocular proof[/B] [B]Or by the worth of mine eternal soul[/B] [B]Thou hadst been better have been born a dog[/B] [B]Than answer my waked wrath! [/B][B]Make me to see ’t, or at the least so prove it[/B] [B]That the probation bear no hinge nor loop[/B] [B]To hang a doubt on, or woe upon thy life![/B] [/QUOTE]
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