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Monks Are Not Tanks And Shouldn’t Be
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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 9063552" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>Two things-</p><p></p><p>First, let's avoid terms like "DM's girlfriend" and consign that to the dustbin of history, not to be resurrected. 40% of D&D players identify as female, and women (contrary to the old and thankfully discarded stereotypes about them) like to play D&D when they aren't excluded from the game. I know that this wasn't your intent, but casually using terms like that serve old and incorrect ideas that women only play D&D as some sort of adjunct to their partners; not because they genuinely want to play. If you want to make a point about DM favoritism, just say "DM's favorite" or something like that.</p><p></p><p>Second, this is a strange comment to make. No one (literally, no one) would argue that the 5e Monk is overpowered, or "the Optimizer's Choice." The reason that we currently have a lot of threads about the Monk right now is because ... wait for it ... WoTC finally released the UA Monk. If anything, the fact that every other class got at least one full revision (and many classes received TWO revisions) when the Monk was still cooking kind of shows you where the Monk was in terms of priorities. But yes, people are discussing the Monk now because we are reacting to a document that was just released. </p><p></p><p>To the extent you see a lot of different people advocating for different things, that's because this is the internet. People will have different opinions as to what direction they want the Monk to go in. Get five people commenting on the internet, you'll get six different opinions. No one expects that WoTC will enact ALL OF THE SUGGESTIONS. In all honesty, it's unlikely that WoTC will enact any of the many good suggestions made. But people spitballing ideas on the internet are unlikely to be perfectly balancing their own ideas, <em>let alone balancing their own ideas with the contradictory goals of every other poster that is also posting in multiple threads.</em></p><p></p><p>If you play a Monk, you can understand both why it has an appeal and also why it is dissatisfying and people are looking for improvements in certain areas. If you are uninterested in playing Monks or understanding why people are looking at the design from different perspectives, no one is forcing you to contribute positively to the conversation, but it's your choice as to what you choose to do with that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 9063552, member: 7023840"] Two things- First, let's avoid terms like "DM's girlfriend" and consign that to the dustbin of history, not to be resurrected. 40% of D&D players identify as female, and women (contrary to the old and thankfully discarded stereotypes about them) like to play D&D when they aren't excluded from the game. I know that this wasn't your intent, but casually using terms like that serve old and incorrect ideas that women only play D&D as some sort of adjunct to their partners; not because they genuinely want to play. If you want to make a point about DM favoritism, just say "DM's favorite" or something like that. Second, this is a strange comment to make. No one (literally, no one) would argue that the 5e Monk is overpowered, or "the Optimizer's Choice." The reason that we currently have a lot of threads about the Monk right now is because ... wait for it ... WoTC finally released the UA Monk. If anything, the fact that every other class got at least one full revision (and many classes received TWO revisions) when the Monk was still cooking kind of shows you where the Monk was in terms of priorities. But yes, people are discussing the Monk now because we are reacting to a document that was just released. To the extent you see a lot of different people advocating for different things, that's because this is the internet. People will have different opinions as to what direction they want the Monk to go in. Get five people commenting on the internet, you'll get six different opinions. No one expects that WoTC will enact ALL OF THE SUGGESTIONS. In all honesty, it's unlikely that WoTC will enact any of the many good suggestions made. But people spitballing ideas on the internet are unlikely to be perfectly balancing their own ideas, [I]let alone balancing their own ideas with the contradictory goals of every other poster that is also posting in multiple threads.[/I] If you play a Monk, you can understand both why it has an appeal and also why it is dissatisfying and people are looking for improvements in certain areas. If you are uninterested in playing Monks or understanding why people are looking at the design from different perspectives, no one is forcing you to contribute positively to the conversation, but it's your choice as to what you choose to do with that. [/QUOTE]
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