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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9072124" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>That bold bit is the wuxia/xianxia cultivator genre of <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/treknobabble" target="_blank">treknobabble</a>. It's going to be different for every work of fiction based on the author's whims. The fact that you took that and extended it to at least four or five totally different spells in a tread about monk damage/tankiness and kept the totally not magic <a href="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpiritCultivationGenre" target="_blank">but literally just magi</a>c shows explicitly why wotc can't make that the all encompassing theme of a base class with significant martial capabilities before the subclass adds more. </p><p></p><p>The various elements that make wuxia/cultivator fiction work as anything but mary sue self insert power fantasies* simply don't fit within standard d&d and an awful lot of them are pretty much campaign ending group walks away level problems should the GM ever employ them at the table. None of the other classes fit within the fantasy that language comes from either & as a result it only leaves two options. Option one is that the monk player unreasonably forces it upon everyone else in a way that stomps any input from the other players themselves. Option two is even worse because it means that the rest of the world <em>and</em> the nonmonk PCs at the table are demoted to what the genre usually refer to as "mortals". There is a difference between "swiss army knife" and what the genre elevates practitioners to.</p><p></p><p>*I kinda enjoy the genre a bit & have read/watched things from it from time to time, but lets be honest & admit that you can pretty much swap MC A with MC B & not impact the story in any meaningful way</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9072124, member: 93670"] That bold bit is the wuxia/xianxia cultivator genre of [URL='https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/treknobabble']treknobabble[/URL]. It's going to be different for every work of fiction based on the author's whims. The fact that you took that and extended it to at least four or five totally different spells in a tread about monk damage/tankiness and kept the totally not magic [URL='https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpiritCultivationGenre']but literally just magi[/URL]c shows explicitly why wotc can't make that the all encompassing theme of a base class with significant martial capabilities before the subclass adds more. The various elements that make wuxia/cultivator fiction work as anything but mary sue self insert power fantasies* simply don't fit within standard d&d and an awful lot of them are pretty much campaign ending group walks away level problems should the GM ever employ them at the table. None of the other classes fit within the fantasy that language comes from either & as a result it only leaves two options. Option one is that the monk player unreasonably forces it upon everyone else in a way that stomps any input from the other players themselves. Option two is even worse because it means that the rest of the world [I]and[/I] the nonmonk PCs at the table are demoted to what the genre usually refer to as "mortals". There is a difference between "swiss army knife" and what the genre elevates practitioners to. *I kinda enjoy the genre a bit & have read/watched things from it from time to time, but lets be honest & admit that you can pretty much swap MC A with MC B & not impact the story in any meaningful way [/QUOTE]
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