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Monks Are Not Tanks And Shouldn’t Be
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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9073567" data-attributes="member: 63508"><p>I think you are not getting what I'm saying.</p><p></p><p>This is a statement about narrative and how narrative is supposed to be reflected in mechanics.</p><p>So I'll use 4e which makes it easier to see sue to the extremes.</p><p></p><p>In 4e, a paladin can dump and go hard on Cha.</p><p>In 4e, you can make a 80lb 12 year old child into a powerful paladin. Youngster Jimmy and Lil Suzy if blessed enough with <strong>Divine magic</strong> can attack with their 16 CHA instead of their 8 STR. </p><p></p><p>Bolstering Strike</p><p>Enfeebling Strike</p><p>Fearsome Smite</p><p>On Pain of Death</p><p></p><p>Lil Suzy doesn't have to touch their Str to attack as those are all Charisma based attacks.</p><p>Until they have to make an oppy attack. Then you have to go back to their 8 STR.</p><p></p><p>The <strong>Divine Magic</strong> supersedes their feeble body. This waif of a girl can wallop a hill giant. But it is a lot of divinity not her own muscles and skill as the damage was radiant and Cha based. When Pelor is not guiding her blade or Athena taking the wheel, she goes back to being a little skinny human who studied a holy book instead of the blade. The 3e Paladin was similiar but dumping combat stats and not taking combat feats wasn't an option in a semi-optimized serious game as the frequency of divine power was much lower.</p><p></p><p>And it's the same for the Monk. Ki becomes their sword and Discipline their Armor. But historically, the numbers were not big enough to display the fantasy if even there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 9073567, member: 63508"] I think you are not getting what I'm saying. This is a statement about narrative and how narrative is supposed to be reflected in mechanics. So I'll use 4e which makes it easier to see sue to the extremes. In 4e, a paladin can dump and go hard on Cha. In 4e, you can make a 80lb 12 year old child into a powerful paladin. Youngster Jimmy and Lil Suzy if blessed enough with [B]Divine magic[/B] can attack with their 16 CHA instead of their 8 STR. Bolstering Strike Enfeebling Strike Fearsome Smite On Pain of Death Lil Suzy doesn't have to touch their Str to attack as those are all Charisma based attacks. Until they have to make an oppy attack. Then you have to go back to their 8 STR. The [B]Divine Magic[/B] supersedes their feeble body. This waif of a girl can wallop a hill giant. But it is a lot of divinity not her own muscles and skill as the damage was radiant and Cha based. When Pelor is not guiding her blade or Athena taking the wheel, she goes back to being a little skinny human who studied a holy book instead of the blade. The 3e Paladin was similiar but dumping combat stats and not taking combat feats wasn't an option in a semi-optimized serious game as the frequency of divine power was much lower. And it's the same for the Monk. Ki becomes their sword and Discipline their Armor. But historically, the numbers were not big enough to display the fantasy if even there. [/QUOTE]
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