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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2063670" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>You are acting as if this cannot already happen in the game with a Monk 1 / Cleric X.</p><p></p><p>You are acting as if this cannot already happen in the game with Dexterity for Rogues.</p><p></p><p>And sure, you can increase your Wisdom, just like a Rogue can increase his Dexterity.</p><p></p><p>But, that it is a lot more pricey to increase your Wisdom (with the exception of lesser Periapts of Wisdom) than it is to get items of Deflection, items of Dodge bonus, items of Natural Armor, etc. Upping ability scores with Wish is COSTLY.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It takes a lot of Wisdom for a Cleric to get past:</p><p></p><p>+5 Plate +5 Shield = AC 30</p><p></p><p>25K + 25K = 50K</p><p></p><p>vs.</p><p></p><p>+13 Monk's Belt (Wisdom 23 + 6 Periapt of Wisdom +5 Tome of Understanding which is the highest you can get without extremely unusual feats, classes, races, multiple wishes, etc.) +8 Bracers of Armor = AC 31 (the last point of AC does not occur until level 20). To my knowledge, there are no items of Shield spell (or most personal spells for that matter) for boosting this further (that you could not boost armor with as well, you can even boost armor with Dex by making the armor out of special materials).</p><p></p><p>13K + 36K + 137.5K + 64K = 250.5K</p><p></p><p>I understand your point that +7 AC for 13K sounds cheap on the surface, but you can get the same +7 AC Half Plate for 600 GP.</p><p></p><p>Let's do a level comparison:</p><p></p><p>13K +5 AC level 6 (Wisdom 19, no other items according to wealth chart)</p><p>17K +6 AC level 7 (Wisdom 19 + Periapt of Wisdom +2, most of wealth)</p><p>17K +7 AC level 8 (Wisdom 20 + Periapt of Wisdom +2)</p><p>29K +8 AC level 9 (Wisdom 20 + Periapt of Wisdom +4, most of wealth)</p><p>49K +9 AC level 9 (Wisdom 20 + Periapt of Wisdom +6, all of wealth)</p><p>49K +10 AC level 16 (Wisdom 22 + Periapt of Wisdom +6)</p><p></p><p>This Cleric used up most of his wealth on several levels in order to acquire this (as opposed to spending the money more wisely).</p><p></p><p><1K +6 AC level 1 (chain mail and large shield, most of wealth)</p><p><1K +9 AC level 2 (half plate and large shield, most of wealth)</p><p><2K +10 AC level 3 (plate and large shield)</p><p></p><p>Without any magic at all and without spending a large fortune, the Cleric can get the same AC at level 3 as he can with the Monk's Belt at level 16. And any way in which the Cleric can boost his Wisdom up by buying magical items, he could also wear armor and shield and buy different magical items to boost his AC. For example, Bracers of Armor can easily be overcome via magical armor and magical shield and at lower levels besides.</p><p></p><p>I do not understand your concern here at all.</p><p></p><p>Most characters that try this strategy will have VERY low ACs for most levels and will have a hard time surviving.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2063670, member: 2011"] You are acting as if this cannot already happen in the game with a Monk 1 / Cleric X. You are acting as if this cannot already happen in the game with Dexterity for Rogues. And sure, you can increase your Wisdom, just like a Rogue can increase his Dexterity. But, that it is a lot more pricey to increase your Wisdom (with the exception of lesser Periapts of Wisdom) than it is to get items of Deflection, items of Dodge bonus, items of Natural Armor, etc. Upping ability scores with Wish is COSTLY. It takes a lot of Wisdom for a Cleric to get past: +5 Plate +5 Shield = AC 30 25K + 25K = 50K vs. +13 Monk's Belt (Wisdom 23 + 6 Periapt of Wisdom +5 Tome of Understanding which is the highest you can get without extremely unusual feats, classes, races, multiple wishes, etc.) +8 Bracers of Armor = AC 31 (the last point of AC does not occur until level 20). To my knowledge, there are no items of Shield spell (or most personal spells for that matter) for boosting this further (that you could not boost armor with as well, you can even boost armor with Dex by making the armor out of special materials). 13K + 36K + 137.5K + 64K = 250.5K I understand your point that +7 AC for 13K sounds cheap on the surface, but you can get the same +7 AC Half Plate for 600 GP. Let's do a level comparison: 13K +5 AC level 6 (Wisdom 19, no other items according to wealth chart) 17K +6 AC level 7 (Wisdom 19 + Periapt of Wisdom +2, most of wealth) 17K +7 AC level 8 (Wisdom 20 + Periapt of Wisdom +2) 29K +8 AC level 9 (Wisdom 20 + Periapt of Wisdom +4, most of wealth) 49K +9 AC level 9 (Wisdom 20 + Periapt of Wisdom +6, all of wealth) 49K +10 AC level 16 (Wisdom 22 + Periapt of Wisdom +6) This Cleric used up most of his wealth on several levels in order to acquire this (as opposed to spending the money more wisely). <1K +6 AC level 1 (chain mail and large shield, most of wealth) <1K +9 AC level 2 (half plate and large shield, most of wealth) <2K +10 AC level 3 (plate and large shield) Without any magic at all and without spending a large fortune, the Cleric can get the same AC at level 3 as he can with the Monk's Belt at level 16. And any way in which the Cleric can boost his Wisdom up by buying magical items, he could also wear armor and shield and buy different magical items to boost his AC. For example, Bracers of Armor can easily be overcome via magical armor and magical shield and at lower levels besides. I do not understand your concern here at all. Most characters that try this strategy will have VERY low ACs for most levels and will have a hard time surviving. [/QUOTE]
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