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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2079365" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Except that it does not seem to be incongruent. It appears to be consistent. Monks have varying AC due to varying Wisdom, just like Rogues (and most other classes not in restrictive armor) have varying AC due to varying Dexterity.</p><p></p><p>It is very consistent with the rules about Monks.</p><p></p><p>Now, it might appear to be unbalanced, but that is not the same as incongruent.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If we knew designer intent, we wouldn't need to have the conversation. Would we?</p><p></p><p>As for your example here, it goes beyond ludicrous.</p><p></p><p>Why would you think that the NPC Monk example gives you any information at all on the abilities of a different character? On the other hand, you think that a special ability in a PrC should tell us how to use a magical item.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You are quite free to play the game any way you want to. Nobody is stopping you.</p><p></p><p>But on a rules forum, yes, I will discuss the rules as written as opposed to a nebulous and subjective designer intent that we do not know in the more obscure cases (which I do not consider this one to be). And, I won't let the PrC ability of one class influence my decision on what the rest of the rules state. The entire INTENT of PrC abilities is to give characters abilities above and beyond the normal abilities and sometimes even the normal rules of the game.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Does the fact that an Elixir of Hiding uses an Invisibility spell to craft it mean that you gain invisibility when you drink it? No. These are different specific rules that apply in different circumstances.</p><p></p><p>The Invisibility spell in no way, shape, or form indicates anything about the rules of how an Elixir of Hiding works.</p><p></p><p>Ditto for enlightened fist and Monk’s Belt.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Btw, I do think that this is a balance issue and I do think that the Belt should only give +1 to AC for non-Monks. But, I also think that you cannot determine designer intent outside of what is actually written. If the designer says AC of a 5th level Monk, I suspect that that is precisely what the designer meant. Now, once a designer finds out about the balance issue, he might FAQ it to only be +1. But, that has not happened yet.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2079365, member: 2011"] Except that it does not seem to be incongruent. It appears to be consistent. Monks have varying AC due to varying Wisdom, just like Rogues (and most other classes not in restrictive armor) have varying AC due to varying Dexterity. It is very consistent with the rules about Monks. Now, it might appear to be unbalanced, but that is not the same as incongruent. If we knew designer intent, we wouldn't need to have the conversation. Would we? As for your example here, it goes beyond ludicrous. Why would you think that the NPC Monk example gives you any information at all on the abilities of a different character? On the other hand, you think that a special ability in a PrC should tell us how to use a magical item. You are quite free to play the game any way you want to. Nobody is stopping you. But on a rules forum, yes, I will discuss the rules as written as opposed to a nebulous and subjective designer intent that we do not know in the more obscure cases (which I do not consider this one to be). And, I won't let the PrC ability of one class influence my decision on what the rest of the rules state. The entire INTENT of PrC abilities is to give characters abilities above and beyond the normal abilities and sometimes even the normal rules of the game. Does the fact that an Elixir of Hiding uses an Invisibility spell to craft it mean that you gain invisibility when you drink it? No. These are different specific rules that apply in different circumstances. The Invisibility spell in no way, shape, or form indicates anything about the rules of how an Elixir of Hiding works. Ditto for enlightened fist and Monk’s Belt. Btw, I do think that this is a balance issue and I do think that the Belt should only give +1 to AC for non-Monks. But, I also think that you cannot determine designer intent outside of what is actually written. If the designer says AC of a 5th level Monk, I suspect that that is precisely what the designer meant. Now, once a designer finds out about the balance issue, he might FAQ it to only be +1. But, that has not happened yet. [/QUOTE]
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