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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Seeten" data-source="post: 2085672" data-attributes="member: 27186">From the SRD:AC Bonus (Ex): When unarmored and unencumbered, the monk adds her Wisdom bonus (if any) to her AC. In addition, a monk gains a +1 bonus to AC at 5th level. This bonus increases by 1 for every five monk levels thereafter (+2 at 10th, +3 at 15th, and +4 at 20th level).That is a singular use of AC Bonus, from the SRD, which includes ALL of the monks AC Modifiers. It doesnt say: AC Bonus and then right below it, AC Bonus Part II. It lists it one time, and includes both mods in the one category, named AC Bonus. You can, quite clearly, as I stated above, say you dont like it, dont think its fair, or dont think its intended, but the rules themselves are clear. The SRD lists AC Bonus 1 time, and includes part a and part b with an inclusionary statement, "In addition, a monk gains". In english, if you were not including any part of this, it would be the +1 bonus per level, since it is the additive quality. The base quality of AC Bonus is "When unarmored and unencumbered, the monk adds her Wisdom bonus (if any) to her AC."By the RAW, the Monks AC Bonus is wis +1 per 5 levels. It states it as so in the SRD, in one neat and tidy paragraph labelled AC Bonus, which, probably not coincidentally, is the same wording as the "Monk's AC Bonus" listed in the Monk's Belt. I didnt miss it, I didnt include it because it is referring back to the original material, listed under "AC Bonus"There is one monk's AC Bonus, derived from 2 sources. If there were 2 monk's AC Bonuses, it would list them in 2 seperate headers in the SRD. The Monk's Belt doesnt say you get some of the monk's AC Bonuses it says you get the "AC Bonus" of a 5th level monk. AC Bonus is very neatly sectioned in the monk class, in one header, not two, with text stating you get wis to ac, and +1 per 5 levels.It appears to me the RAW is quite clear, but you are interpreting it in a way that suits your purpose. I dont understand that, as a house rule in your own campaign solves the problem easily. We have a sheaf of house rules for all bad rules poorly worded rules, nonsensical rules, or just plain rules we dont like. I am not telling you I think the Monk's belt is cool and you ought to allow it, I am telling you that the english language text here is clear on what the bonus is.The AC Bonus listed in the SRD. I'll repost it.AC Bonus (Ex): When unarmored and unencumbered, the monk adds her Wisdom bonus (if any) to her AC. In addition, a monk gains a +1 bonus to AC at 5th level. This bonus increases by 1 for every five monk levels thereafter (+2 at 10th, +3 at 15th, and +4 at 20th level).Most people prior to you on the thread dont seem to agree with this point, but I certainly don't care, since as I stated in my first post on the thread, I dont have a monks belt, dont plan to get one, can get better ac on a cleric or druid without one, have better things to purchase for my monk, and have no players who would care either.  Nor do I care if everyone and their mother House Rules it away into a +1 to AC only, or WOTC officially erratas it.I don't see it as a debate that has any room to go anywhere, however, its more of an argument based on feeling and emotion. The RAW is still clear and only lists one monks ac bonus. The RAW uses the word in addition, which means the entirety of the text is all the monk's ac bonus. It has one section labelled ac bonus. There is nothing in your argument that remotely suggests there is 2 ac bonuses, and the SRD lists just one for a monk. Wisdom, and in addition, +1 to ac.I don't mean to run you down here, certainly not my intent, but a lot of things can be controversial if you read something into the text. The text itself, taken on its own, is clear.</blockquote>

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