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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7528667" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>Why wouldn't these special rules apply to everyone at the table? Of course they would. The only difference is that the other players aren't playing characters for which the special rule would matter to them. And there's also no reason to think this would be some secret thing that you wouldn't know about prior to showing up. A player says "Can I play a monk who can use DEX for grappling?", the DM realizes that grappling is such a minor part of the game that it unbalances nothing to allow more grappling to happen that they say "Sure!", and this information is passed on to the other players that "Hey, I'm allowing DEX (Acrobatics) to be used for grappling in addition to STR (Athletics)." The other players then say "Okay, thanks." And then you play the game.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I of course do not know what is in your head. But if you use any of the new rules that WotC has introduced in later books, then you aren't playing "by the rules" that you yourself have claimed. The rules of the game would be whatever you started with. Anything after that is "breaking the rules" of parts of the game you were playing. Using a Bladesinger breaks the rules of the Wizard class that were established in the Player's Handbook. Yes, it's the designers of the game who are doing the breaking... but they are still "breaking the rules" that they originally established in the first book.</p><p></p><p>So if you are using those new additions to the game, my guess is you are somehow justifying it as being acceptable or not even breaking the rules at all. But for my money... just because WotC introduces new rules to the game doesn't mean those aren't just as rulebreaking to the game as something any DM would come up with. And to claim that a person "only plays by the rules of the game" when they are willing to accept any additional rules as part and parcel so long as only a specific person or group makes them... tells me their argument isn't very good.</p><p></p><p>But hey... you aren't playing at my table and I ain't playing at yours. So it's all good.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7528667, member: 7006"] Why wouldn't these special rules apply to everyone at the table? Of course they would. The only difference is that the other players aren't playing characters for which the special rule would matter to them. And there's also no reason to think this would be some secret thing that you wouldn't know about prior to showing up. A player says "Can I play a monk who can use DEX for grappling?", the DM realizes that grappling is such a minor part of the game that it unbalances nothing to allow more grappling to happen that they say "Sure!", and this information is passed on to the other players that "Hey, I'm allowing DEX (Acrobatics) to be used for grappling in addition to STR (Athletics)." The other players then say "Okay, thanks." And then you play the game. I of course do not know what is in your head. But if you use any of the new rules that WotC has introduced in later books, then you aren't playing "by the rules" that you yourself have claimed. The rules of the game would be whatever you started with. Anything after that is "breaking the rules" of parts of the game you were playing. Using a Bladesinger breaks the rules of the Wizard class that were established in the Player's Handbook. Yes, it's the designers of the game who are doing the breaking... but they are still "breaking the rules" that they originally established in the first book. So if you are using those new additions to the game, my guess is you are somehow justifying it as being acceptable or not even breaking the rules at all. But for my money... just because WotC introduces new rules to the game doesn't mean those aren't just as rulebreaking to the game as something any DM would come up with. And to claim that a person "only plays by the rules of the game" when they are willing to accept any additional rules as part and parcel so long as only a specific person or group makes them... tells me their argument isn't very good. But hey... you aren't playing at my table and I ain't playing at yours. So it's all good. [/QUOTE]
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