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<blockquote data-quote="Jer" data-source="post: 7750879" data-attributes="member: 19857">Context does help - those are some interesting points.&nbsp; With the new action economy in Pathfinder 2 that's being proposed, is it possible that the monk also just stand still and Flurry 3 times - for 6 attacks in a single round? That may explain the hefty -4 penalty on Flurry.&nbsp; If a monk can typically move into combat and immediately make 4 attacks on a target, the -4 penalty sounds like a lot less of a penalty than before.&nbsp; When I initially read it I was thinking that a -4 penalty is really severe - because AC and attacks are scaling with level that's basically hitting like you are 4 levels lower than you are.&nbsp; In 13th Age (which also scales like that with level) that's a pretty severe penalty.&nbsp; But if you're making 4 attacks in a round, that penalty might not be so severe.&nbsp; (I assume that there's some penalty on a second attack action in a round from what I've read - I don't know what it is but my gut assumes it's -2, so that would mean that the monk with a +5 bonus to attack would be hitting with +5/+1/+3/-1 on four attacks with Flurry.&nbsp; -4 still seems steep, but not as steep as I thought).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jer, post: 7750879, member: 19857"] Context does help - those are some interesting points. With the new action economy in Pathfinder 2 that's being proposed, is it possible that the monk also just stand still and Flurry 3 times - for 6 attacks in a single round? That may explain the hefty -4 penalty on Flurry. If a monk can typically move into combat and immediately make 4 attacks on a target, the -4 penalty sounds like a lot less of a penalty than before. When I initially read it I was thinking that a -4 penalty is really severe - because AC and attacks are scaling with level that's basically hitting like you are 4 levels lower than you are. In 13th Age (which also scales like that with level) that's a pretty severe penalty. But if you're making 4 attacks in a round, that penalty might not be so severe. (I assume that there's some penalty on a second attack action in a round from what I've read - I don't know what it is but my gut assumes it's -2, so that would mean that the monk with a +5 bonus to attack would be hitting with +5/+1/+3/-1 on four attacks with Flurry. -4 still seems steep, but not as steep as I thought). [/QUOTE]

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