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<blockquote data-quote="Calico_Jack73" data-source="post: 1554758" data-attributes="member: 14403">I disagree...Monks have steath skills as class skills.&nbsp; Mages do NOT have the skills to detect them.&nbsp; All a Monk has to do is get the drop on a Mage.&nbsp; If they can get the first attack in and make it a Stunning Blow it is all over.&nbsp; Next attack they can follow up with a grapple and the mage is doomed... no somatic components to spells and they certainly can't handle any material components.&nbsp; If that Monk has a Silence spell placed on him it would also cancel any spells with verbal components.&nbsp; They only way the mage could have a chance is if they had the still spell, silent spell, and eschew materials feats and had them applied to the proper spells.&nbsp; Improved Evasion means that the Monk will never take full damage from a spell that allows a Reflex saving throw... half damage or none at all.If both characters square off across from each other in an arena then sure... the Mage has a chance of beating the crap out of the Monk.&nbsp; Otherwise, I'd bet on the Monk.Stoneskin doesn't help much against a Grapple attack.&nbsp; Freedom of Movement is the only reliable way.&nbsp; Then again, that would be the Mage preparing for a fight against a Monk.&nbsp; Either character, if prepared, could beat the other when they are not prepared.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Calico_Jack73, post: 1554758, member: 14403"] I disagree... Monks have steath skills as class skills. Mages do NOT have the skills to detect them. All a Monk has to do is get the drop on a Mage. If they can get the first attack in and make it a Stunning Blow it is all over. Next attack they can follow up with a grapple and the mage is doomed... no somatic components to spells and they certainly can't handle any material components. If that Monk has a Silence spell placed on him it would also cancel any spells with verbal components. They only way the mage could have a chance is if they had the still spell, silent spell, and eschew materials feats and had them applied to the proper spells. Improved Evasion means that the Monk will never take full damage from a spell that allows a Reflex saving throw... half damage or none at all. If both characters square off across from each other in an arena then sure... the Mage has a chance of beating the crap out of the Monk. Otherwise, I'd bet on the Monk. Stoneskin doesn't help much against a Grapple attack. Freedom of Movement is the only reliable way. Then again, that would be the Mage preparing for a fight against a Monk. Either character, if prepared, could beat the other when they are not prepared. [/QUOTE]

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