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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5134363" data-attributes="member: 71571">Using a weapon as a weapon is not the same as using it as an implement.Using it as an implement requires less physical manipulation of the object, and more mystical channeling through the object.  For all intents in purposes, it doesn't take two hands to hold, or channel energy through a 1 lb stick.  It takes two hands to use such a stick as a lever to amplify physical force.Huge difference.I'll get back to you on this, but as far as I can tell 'weapon you are proficient in' is now a defined kind of implement.  Implements only care if you are 'allowed to use that kind of implement.'Just like a dagger qualifies as a light blade implement, and a dagger implement, staffs qualify as a staff implement, and as a weapon you are proficient in implement if you are proficient in it.  Therefore, being proficient in quarterstaffs means that any given staff is 'a weapon the monk is proficient in' and therefore is of a kind of implement the monk is able to use as such, and therefore, by the rules for implements in the PHB3, a monk can use implement powers and properties on a staff.Except there's no such thing as 'two-handed implements'.  There's implements that use up a hand, and those that use up a specific slot unique to that implement.As well:All quarterstaves are staffs by definition.  If you can grok light blades are a weapon group AND implement kind, you can grok staff is a weapon group AND implement kind.All implement staffs are quarterstaves by definition.So, if A is the subset of B, and B is the subset of A, then A and B are equivalent sets.</blockquote>

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