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<blockquote data-quote="Esker" data-source="post: 8050062" data-attributes="member: 6966824">No, it's clearly not inconsequential, but in the example you gave it was pretty underwhelming. The legendary actions bit had nothing to do with the STR/DEX saves; it's the incapacitation, which everybody acknowledges is valuable. The problem is (a) it targets a bad save, (b) it uses up ki fast, (c) it's often worse than a low level spell (in this case it's probably about a wash because we seem to be assuming a single creature encounter, which is pretty ideal for monks --- Tasha's Hideous Laughter is fairly comparable.Why are we in flatland?IME when familiars die it's mostly to environmental hazards, not in combat. Readying an action is fairly efficient for a single-classed rogue in this instance. They weren't going to use their reaction this round anyway, because they are waiting for the enemy to close in, and they do their full turn's worth of damage on a readied attack.I'm not saying the caster should use Tongues instead of the monk using their ability; I'm saying replace the monk with literally any other class and it will contribute more. If you replace them with a 13th level pact of the tome Great Old One warlock, say, they can take tongues and comprehend languages on top of their telepathy, as well as a bunch of other utility spells, and combat spells (including Hypnotic Pattern, which is better than stun, Evard's Black Tentacles, which they can combine with repelling blast), and on and on, while also being able to achieve greater damage output when they want to, and from 120' away.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Esker, post: 8050062, member: 6966824"] No, it's clearly not inconsequential, but in the example you gave it was pretty underwhelming. The legendary actions bit had nothing to do with the STR/DEX saves; it's the incapacitation, which everybody acknowledges is valuable. The problem is (a) it targets a bad save, (b) it uses up ki fast, (c) it's often worse than a low level spell (in this case it's probably about a wash because we seem to be assuming a single creature encounter, which is pretty ideal for monks --- Tasha's Hideous Laughter is fairly comparable. Why are we in flatland? IME when familiars die it's mostly to environmental hazards, not in combat. Readying an action is fairly efficient for a single-classed rogue in this instance. They weren't going to use their reaction this round anyway, because they are waiting for the enemy to close in, and they do their full turn's worth of damage on a readied attack. I'm not saying the caster should use Tongues instead of the monk using their ability; I'm saying replace the monk with literally any other class and it will contribute more. If you replace them with a 13th level pact of the tome Great Old One warlock, say, they can take tongues and comprehend languages on top of their telepathy, as well as a bunch of other utility spells, and combat spells (including Hypnotic Pattern, which is better than stun, Evard's Black Tentacles, which they can combine with repelling blast), and on and on, while also being able to achieve greater damage output when they want to, and from 120' away. [/QUOTE]

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