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<blockquote data-quote="Undrave" data-source="post: 8050545" data-attributes="member: 7015698">A Fighter (or a Rogue) doesn't suffer loss of Defensive capability by running out of Short Rest resource (like a Monk without Ki), and a Fighter can take more hits than a Monk because they have better HD to begin with. They're trading DPS for better tanking.Agreed.+4 to main stat?! You know that the standard array at level 1 stops at 15? You can't have more than +3. A Monk with the Standard array, assuming a +DEX/+WIS race can have 16 in both WIS and DEX (for an AC of 16) and then +1 to CON. A heavy armoured Fighter can have AC 16, +3 to STR and +3 to CON. I was not aware that Eldritch Blast, Hex and Agonizing Blast were only available as feats or multi classing? I'm not sure what Feats and MCing have to do with my objection to the idea that Monks are good because they can target weapon... If YOU can target a weapon, then so can the Great Weapon Fighter with his axe. It's not much of an advantage. If nothing else, I agree we should cut out feats and MCing when talking about problems with the Monk. I will admit it is certainly cool and I WILL ask my DM if I can do some disarming attempt, but personally I think a weapon should have some pretty good damage resistance, considering its designed to HIT things. If the sword doesn't break when it inflict 1d10+4damage, I'm gonna need more than my d6+4 to break it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Undrave, post: 8050545, member: 7015698"] A Fighter (or a Rogue) doesn't suffer loss of Defensive capability by running out of Short Rest resource (like a Monk without Ki), and a Fighter can take more hits than a Monk because they have better HD to begin with. They're trading DPS for better tanking. Agreed. +4 to main stat?! You know that the standard array at level 1 stops at 15? You can't have more than +3. A Monk with the Standard array, assuming a +DEX/+WIS race can have 16 in both WIS and DEX (for an AC of 16) and then +1 to CON. A heavy armoured Fighter can have AC 16, +3 to STR and +3 to CON. I was not aware that Eldritch Blast, Hex and Agonizing Blast were only available as feats or multi classing? I'm not sure what Feats and MCing have to do with my objection to the idea that Monks are good because they can target weapon... If YOU can target a weapon, then so can the Great Weapon Fighter with his axe. It's not much of an advantage. If nothing else, I agree we should cut out feats and MCing when talking about problems with the Monk. I will admit it is certainly [B]cool [/B]and I WILL ask my DM if I can do some disarming attempt, but personally I think a weapon should have some pretty good damage resistance, considering its designed to HIT things. If the sword doesn't break when it inflict 1d10+4damage, I'm gonna need more than my d6+4 to break it. [/QUOTE]

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