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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8052487" data-attributes="member: 6855114">[USER=6801228]@Chaosmancer[/USER] Bha! You seem to forget that I don't say that monk sucks, quite the contrary. But they do have their weak points. With no Ki, they litterally have nothing to fall back on and be on par with everyone else. Wizards and other casters can have save cantrips that will work in hand to hand or at the very least distance cantrip that will not be lessened when they run out of spell slot. Other martial have their weapons (which will probably be magical) and a better armor class than the monk. The warlock will spam EB as usual, spell or no spell it changes nothing for this class. The rogue will not even be affected. Only the monk has problem when it is denied short rests. And it is really easy for a monk to burn through Ki at low level, in one fight!No matter the numbers, no matter the subclass, the monk is entirely at the mercy of the DM style. All other classes have at will power/features that are not reliant on the DM's style or narrative imperiousness.Again, don't get me wrong, in the right campaign with a DM that respects the DMG guidelines, the monk is great! But as soon as those guidelines are down the drain, so is the monk. Flurry of blow should have been free to do at all times. This would help the monk greatly. Seeing the monk for what it really is, isn't debunking it. I have seen enough monks in trouble at some tables to see and recognize the problems that the monks are suffering. Check my post on page one if you care. Numbers can be tweaked and I don't trust them at all. What I trust is the experience that I have and have seen. Monks are quite fine in my games because I strictly stick to the guidelines in the DMG. But it is not everyone. If monks were so fine, they would not be second worst in character creation. My guess is that a lot of tables do not apply the DMG's encounter guidelines. This, in turn, puts the monk in a difficult position because the monk needs and requires short rests.</blockquote>

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