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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 8053766" data-attributes="member: 5889">I will say, that 11+ level is simply not a good space to be debating class balance.... for or against. Statistics have consistently shown that the vast majority of campaigns don't play in these spaces...many dnd players will never see an 11th level class in actual play.So this means discussions about the "loss of damage at 11th level" or "look how cool diamond soul is" are just not valid points for this debate.I also feel that 1st level analysis is not the best point either. A lot of classes haven't gotten their "class stuff yet"...and 1st level is often seen as a training level, so I too would leave this out of the analysis. I think levels 2-8 is probably the best region to debate the worth of a class...and 6th to me is the pinnacle...that's when all the classes have generally gotten their "meaty next tier abilities".I feel like the math has been done a million times, but I am going to use my own quick baseline to get a judgement, as I often look at classes at 5th level for my judgement (the vast majority of my campaigns start at 5th).So a 5th level Longsword/Board dueling fighter with a +1 sword, and an 18th strength... if I include crits (but no subclass abilities):does... 14.1 DPRA monk with 16 wisdom, 18 dex (I assumed put more into dex), with a +1 quarterstaff weapon (so his unarmed attack is not benefiting from the +1 bonus of a magic weapon)does... 17.48if I assume the usual 65% hit chance. So the monk is doing 24% more DPR without using KI.On the defensive side, I assume the Fighter has his full plate and shield at this point (I won't assume magic armor enhancements for either of them just yet. SoMonk: AC 17Fighter: AC 20The fighter has 18% more armor class.Again Quick Summary:Monk:   17 AC / 17.48 DPRFighter: 20 AC / 14.10 DPRSo from my quick math it seems that a Monks has decent offensive but weak defense. So if the monk is alright with moving in and doing good damage...but getting knocked around a lot (or relying on step of the wind to pull out danger)....then from basic math he doesn't seem to be doing that badly.</blockquote>

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