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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Deset Gled" data-source="post: 4019056" data-attributes="member: 7808">Obviously, some people (myself included) disagree that a prerequisite should be treated the same as the effect it is a requirement for.  However, your Magic Fang example does not help prove your point here for two reasons.  First, monk strikes are explicitly treated as natural attacks for "spells and effects", so this would fall under the category of spells, not effects, and wouldn't be an issue.  Second, note that the target of Magic Fang is one "living creature touched" not a natural weapon; a monk is a living creature, and thus fulfills the prerequisite of the spell.I could have sworn there was a Sage article that specifically addressed the issue of whether a prerequisite counts as an effect, but I haven't been able to find it now.  IIRC, it gave an example that changed my mind for awhile, but then someone else found text that contradicted it.  The PHB2 has been brought up many times in other threads, but was always thrown out as being a meaningless point because it gave INA to a monk at first level; knowing that the authors forgot about one prerequisite makes it pretty easy to assume they forgot the second.  The PHB2 errata, however, is a new point that I haven't thought about before.  It is very significant to me, as it is the first errata document that we have addressing the issue (in a very roundabout way).  It's a pretty odd case, and I'm not 100% sure how it meshes with the Primary Source rule.  It's obviously official errata, giving it power over a primary source, but it's not addressing the primary source in question.  I'll have to mull this over for a bit and get back to you with an opinion.For reference, the PHB2 errata says: Page 212 –Monk Destroyer Build Table[Substitution]Improved Natural Attack cannot be attained until 6th level for a monk. An alternative is to take Power Attack at 1st level, Improved Bull Rush at 3rd level in place of Power Attack, and Improved Natural Attack in place of Improved Bull Rush.You're quite welcome.  I'm glad it was helpful.</blockquote>

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