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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zaknafein" data-source="post: 576601" data-attributes="member: 8988">why a monk is so unbalanced....first of they get too many special feats... 1)  which other class gets special abilities going from level 1-20? monks= 19 levels of extra special feats?  barbs 15, bards 2, cleric 1, druid 17, fighter 11 bonus feats, paladin 9, ranger 5, rogue 16, sorcerer 1, wizard 62) then we go to the point of damage unarmed strike at level 12 gives 1d12, thats like the best weapon in game 1d12 = greataxe 2d6 = greatsword but it gets better at level 16 they get 1d20 dmg!!!! no weapon is that good..... that is like a greatsword +8.... no such thing.... no weapon can do that much potential damage on any given strike! 20 points? give me a break3) at 5th level monk is immune to all natural diseases and at 11th immune to ALL poison magical or otherwise!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> not even a paladin can do that?4) then they get evasion at 1st and improved evasion at 9th so guess what that fireball, what fireball..... rogues dont even get improved evasion!!!!5)  then at 12th they can dimension door once per day.... heck which other non spell caster can do such?  heck wizards cant even access that spell till 8th level and they have to memorize it!  its not innate like it is to monks....6) the kicker.... at 13th they get SR equal to 10+ their level!!! heck it is a minimum of 23.... guess what the highest SR item you can buy from the DMG is Mantle of Spell Resistence and it costs 90,000 gp and it only gives you SR 21!!!! so your saying that a monk of 13th level is better than any spell resistance in the world!!!!!! and it keeps getting better since a 20th level monk would grant him/her SR 30!!!! that is a load of crap...7) then at 15th you have quivering palm which enables the monk to make a hit, and any creature that can be critically wounded has a chance it may die from one strike from a monk so potentially an anchient red wyrm can die with one strike of a monk.... 8) at 17th level a monk can communicate with any living creature... a 20th level ranger cant even do that to animals let alone ANY living creature....9) at 20th they get innate damage reduction 20/+1.... hmmm and become an extraplanar being.....  what do other classes get at 20th level.... you guessed it you become just a 20th level fighter, cleric, paladin, rogue, wizard, etc.!!!So as you can see a monk is overly powerful... and in my humble opinion some adjustments are truely needed for this uber character class....-in honor zaknafein</blockquote>

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