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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CRGreathouse" data-source="post: 576854" data-attributes="member: 474">Re: why a monk is so unbalanced....They get two bonus feats by level 20, less than rangers (on level 1), wizards (on level 10), fighters (on level 4), and rogues (on level 16).Garbage.  On level 12, a fighter will have a +2 or +3 equivilent weapon, dealing (say) 2d6+1+1d6 (+1 flaming greatsword).  The monk deals 6.5 + Str mod; the fighter deals 11.5 + 1.5 * Str mod.Yeah, it's nice, but both monks and paladins have good enough saves that this is a rare situation -- it wouldn't surprise me if it never came up.  (Paladins almost always make the save, that is.  Fort tends to be their best.)Rogues can get inproved evasion by 10th level.Monks are semi-spellcasters: they manifest magic through ki, though not as well as 'normal' casters.  A wizard could prepare three dimension doors, but a monk couldn't.Oh, and it's "prepare" not "memorize".A spellcaster with the same level as the monk and Spell Penetration (very common for PCs in my group) bypasses this 2/3 of the time.I agree that the cost for items of SR is too high.An ancient white dragon without prep spells has Fort +23.  Since the save DC is 10 + the monk's Wis mod + 1/2 the monk level, the DC is 15 + level / 2 if the monk's Wisdom is 21.  Of course, this has a reasonable chance to succeed -- considering that the monk must be level 31 to use quivering palm on the dragon.  Of course, the dragon shouldn't be a challenge by then...A high-level ranger should have no lack of speak with animals, and will generally have a good Animal Empathy score to boot.  Sure, monks communicate better with intelligent creatures -- but who's surprised?This is a token benefit, you know.  I'm not sure if it helps more than it hurts.There may be reasons to think so, but I've not seen any here.</blockquote>

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