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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 578683" data-attributes="member: 3146">The problem monks have with tanks is that they have trouble hitting high AC tanks and they can't compete with the damage output of a barbarian style low AC tank. Sure, monks are fast. Sure, monks can spring attack. But by the time a monk's movement is good enough that he can start ouside the tank's charge range and finish outside the tank's charge range, the tank probably has access to fly (through an item usually) and all of a sudden, the monk's speed doesn't look so superior. And if the monk is in charge range (natural or through fly or expeditious retreat), then the "hit and fade" monk is going to be exchanging blows on a 1 for one basis. Even in a best case scenario--a 20th level 26 strength monk who managed a +5 enhancement bonus on his fists (maybe through greater magic fang) that's only 1d20+13 points of damage--average 23.5 A dedicated (single classed fighter) with a two handed weapon (the kind of fighter a monk can hit reliably) will probably have a higher strength (let's say 30 to account for the greater priority given to str in character creation and item choice), a +7 or +8 equivalent weapon (let's say +5 chaotic) will be doing 1d12+22+2d6--average 35.5 before power attack figures into it.But the monk has more attacks, you say. The fighter also has the flexibility to multiclass if he wants to. If said fighter takes one level of barbarian, he can rage to pump his damage up to an average of 38.5 and if he doesn't want to change his attack bonus, power attack as well to get 40.5 average points of damage per hit. So the fighter/barbarian with a two handed weapon deals almost twice as much damage per hit as the monk and has a better attack bonus and is consequently able to make good on more of his attacks.Now it's true that a monk in a party can do fairly well against tanks--especially with spring attack. Spring attack into a flank, make an attack and spring back. The monk can be quite helpful that way and if the enemy tank is fighting the monk's tank friend, he probably won't risk the AoO to move and go after the monk. But take away the monk's friend and any well constructed tank will tear the monk up like tissue paper.</blockquote>

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