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<blockquote data-quote="Nichwee" data-source="post: 5991591" data-attributes="member: 84242">Using a weapon as an implement, with a power with the implement keyword, counts as &quot;attacking with that weapon&quot;. If you hit it counts as &quot;hitting with the weapon&quot;.It does not count as &quot;hitting with a weapon power with this weapon&quot;, or &quot;hitting with a melee power with this weapon&quot; etc.But for generic &quot;hitting with the weapon&quot; then an implement power is fine as long as the weapon is an implement you are profiecient with and the power has a &quot;hit&quot; mechanic. I checked this out well with my Spiral Tower Wizard (longsword = implement) and I get bonuses like &quot;Eladrin Soldier&quot;'s bonus to damage rolls for hitting with a longsword - ditto the Save Penalty of the Cunning Weapon applies (or did unless they errated recently) as it says &quot;people affected by a save ends effect caused by a power using this weapon take&quot; (or similar wording).So unless the magic of a weapon specifically says it is limited to weapon attacks/powers or some other kind of restricted type of power (such as Fighter powers or basic melee attacks, etc) then it works fine when the weapon is used as an implement for an implement keyworded power.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nichwee, post: 5991591, member: 84242"] Using a weapon as an implement, with a power with the implement keyword, counts as "attacking with that weapon". If you hit it counts as "hitting with the weapon". It does not count as "hitting with a weapon power with this weapon", or "hitting with a melee power with this weapon" etc. But for generic "hitting with the weapon" then an implement power is fine as long as the weapon is an implement you are profiecient with and the power has a "hit" mechanic. I checked this out well with my Spiral Tower Wizard (longsword = implement) and I get bonuses like "Eladrin Soldier"'s bonus to damage rolls for hitting with a longsword - ditto the Save Penalty of the Cunning Weapon applies (or did unless they errated recently) as it says "people affected by a save ends effect caused by a power using this weapon take" (or similar wording). So unless the magic of a weapon specifically says it is limited to weapon attacks/powers or some other kind of restricted type of power (such as Fighter powers or basic melee attacks, etc) then it works fine when the weapon is used as an implement for an implement keyworded power. [/QUOTE]

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