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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5171443" data-attributes="member: 19675">Yeah, I know, but I'm stuck with the terminology...at least for the weapons they're initially granted proficiency in.&nbsp; Besides:The problem remains- the monk can use any weapon they're proficient with as an implement...but cannot deliver all of their powers- even the implement ones- with any weapon.&nbsp; At least, not using the weapon to its full capacity- a monk proficient with a reach or ranged weapon cannot deliver a monk power's effects at reach or range.&nbsp; THAT is ugly.&nbsp; The rules for weapons shouldn't excise the ability to use a reach weapon with monk powers at the fullest extent of the weapon's reach.Especially in the light of RW monks who routinely use reach or ranged weapons as part of their martial styles- spears, polearms, chain weapons and shuriken are all common in martial arts, and are used to their fullest capacity by those trained in their use.Yet a 4Ed monk can't deliver a single monk power at reach/range.&nbsp; Blech.Someone asserted upthread that Jackie Chan (and other movie martial artists) can kick your butt with a sword or a chair, something that the 4Ed rules model well since the powers don't use the [W] designation for damage.&nbsp; Continuing that analogy, you'll note that he'll often throw things like jugs, footstools etc., or will swing around a large improvised weapon like a ladder to attack foes in a large swath around him- yet in 4Ed, Jackie loses efficacy by attempting to do so, because the powers don't support those actions.&nbsp;The monk shouldn't have to muiticlass to use a weapon to its fullest potential.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5171443, member: 19675"] Yeah, I know, but I'm stuck with the terminology...at least for the weapons they're initially granted proficiency in. Besides: The problem remains- the monk can use any weapon they're proficient with as an implement...but cannot deliver all of their powers- even the implement ones- with any weapon. At least, not using the weapon to its full capacity- a monk proficient with a reach or ranged weapon cannot deliver a monk power's effects at reach or range. THAT is ugly. The rules for weapons shouldn't excise the ability to use a reach weapon with monk powers at the fullest extent of the weapon's reach. Especially in the light of RW monks who routinely use reach or ranged weapons as part of their martial styles- spears, polearms, chain weapons and shuriken are all common in martial arts, and are used to their fullest capacity by those trained in their use. Yet a 4Ed monk can't deliver a single monk power at reach/range. Blech. Someone asserted upthread that Jackie Chan (and other movie martial artists) can kick your butt with a sword or a chair, something that the 4Ed rules model well since the powers don't use the [W] designation for damage. Continuing that analogy, you'll note that he'll often throw things like jugs, footstools etc., or will swing around a large improvised weapon like a ladder to attack foes in a large swath around him- yet in 4Ed, Jackie loses efficacy by attempting to do so, because the powers don't support those actions. The monk shouldn't have to muiticlass to use a weapon to its fullest potential. [/QUOTE]

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