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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5171516" data-attributes="member: 19675">andandI'm still slogging through the rules, admittedly, but I haven't seen any usable at range or reach, and as has been asserted upthread, a weapon's attributes don't matter, so the fact that a weapon has reach won't be factored in, so it would seem to me you still have the issue of a reach attack.&nbsp; While he (and other) martial artists of fact and fiction routinely improvise weapons to attack foes outside of arm's length, they also routinely use actual weapons designed to extend the martial artist's reach.&nbsp; Master of the Flying Guillotine, anyone?&nbsp; Shao Lin monks with their iconic longspears?&nbsp; Practitioners of Kung Fu and their halberds?Not to mention that some martial arts styles- RW and fictional- practice the use of non-standard or improvised weapons: the drinking jug of the Drunken Master, for instance.&nbsp; Or those who actually practice deflecting environmental items on target with specially placed kicks &amp; strikes.&nbsp; If that doesn't depict something more than a basic attack, I don't know what does.&nbsp; Essentially, these forms teach &quot;proficiency&quot; with improvised weapons.There is a classic clip from Enter the Dragon in which Bruce Lee disarms a O'Hara of his broken bottles, which go flying towards the surrounding observers.&nbsp; Long standing legend has it that the bottles were actually directed at that particular extra who had decried Bruce as being just a movie star with no real &quot;street fighting&quot; skills, and had planned to challenge him.&nbsp; The bottles were a message- received by the extra in question- and if the legend is true, demonstrate a level of skill beyond a mere improvised ranged basic attack.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5171516, member: 19675"] and and I'm still slogging through the rules, admittedly, but I haven't seen any usable at range or reach, and as has been asserted upthread, a weapon's attributes don't matter, so the fact that a weapon has reach won't be factored in, so it would seem to me you still have the issue of a reach attack. While he (and other) martial artists of fact and fiction routinely improvise weapons to attack foes outside of arm's length, they also routinely use actual weapons designed to extend the martial artist's reach. Master of the Flying Guillotine, anyone? Shao Lin monks with their iconic longspears? Practitioners of Kung Fu and their halberds? Not to mention that some martial arts styles- RW and fictional- practice the use of non-standard or improvised weapons: the drinking jug of the Drunken Master, for instance. Or those who actually practice deflecting environmental items on target with specially placed kicks & strikes. If that doesn't depict something more than a basic attack, I don't know what does. Essentially, these forms teach "proficiency" with improvised weapons. There is a classic clip from [I]Enter the Dragon[/I] in which Bruce Lee disarms a O'Hara of his broken bottles, which go flying towards the surrounding observers. Long standing legend has it that the bottles were actually directed at that[I] particular [/I]extra who had decried Bruce as being just a movie star with no real "street fighting" skills, and had planned to challenge him. The bottles were a message- received by the extra in question- and if the legend is true, demonstrate a level of skill beyond a mere improvised ranged basic attack. [/QUOTE]

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