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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 62668" data-attributes="member: 284">Yes, I did say that. However, I never said that.   I just said that they don't affect your Max Dex and speed, and explained why. Because monks are affected by wearing armor, period.  It's not that they are only affected by wearing some types of armor and not others.   If you want to house rule that some types of armor affect them while other don't, it's your call.   It may even be a reasonable house rule, but I didn't think this discussion was about house rules. The various shield types are indeed in the same column as the different armor types.  They just have their own subheading because they are not a suit of armor.  Just as there are several different types of light armor,  several different tyhpes of medium armor, and several different types of Heavy armor, there are several types of shields.   However, they are all armor, they are just different types of armor, just as melee weapons and ranged weapons are still weapons even though they are used differently.   The only thing on the table that is not armor is the "Extras", which are things you can add to armor, and possibly Tower Shields, since they don't provide an Armor Bonus.I grant that the PHB's practice of referring to shields and worn armor seperately in the combat section does muddy the water, but nevertheless shields are indeed a type of armor.    I'm not saying, the rules say it.  Drawing ammo is not a seperate action, and arrows can be used as an improvised melee weapon.  I'm not sure what your point is here.  No, I don't believe you have this straight.   You are the one who chose to pick apart my words, and tell me that I was being presumptious.  Thus it would seem that the initial insult was on your part, not mine.And I'm missing the part where I insulted you in this section. As I have stated previously,  PHB, page 104.   The exact section is "Armor Bonus: The protective value of the armor.[/b]If it's on table 7-5, and it has an armor bonus, it's armor.   This is further backed up when it makes the specific exceptionto the stacking rules for shield and worn armor: "Bonuses from armor and a shield stack."  i.e. A shield is a type of amor, but it's armor bonus stacks with that of warn armor. A case can be made that tower shields are not armor, since they provide a cover bonus instead of an armor bonus, but the initial question wasn't about tower shields. I don't believe I have insulted you yet, but I'm getting close.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I  have not "played ignorant to it",  I'm well aware of what the Sage has stated.   However, the Sage does not have the authority to change the rules, he can only clarify them.   In this case I have found no support for the Sages statements anywhere in the Core Rules, and in fact have found text in the Core Rules that contradicts this position.    Thus, since the Sage can't change the rules, and the rules seem to contradict him on this point,  I am forced to conclude that the Sage is incorrect on this point until such a time as the rules are errata'd to agree with him.  This is by no means a sure thing, as he has released supposedly "official" errata in the past that has never actually made it into the actual Official Errata list on the WOTC website. His statements about the shields counting as armor are indeed supported by the text of the PHB, and they have also been backed up by every other game designer who has commented on it.  (As I indicated in my previous post.)  I'm sorry that my response caused you to feel insulted,  that was not my intent.  However, starting off by nitpicking my statements (which you declared you were doing - i.e. "I agree but I have a small quibble.")  leaves you no room to complain when I respond in kind.</blockquote>

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