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<blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 63579" data-attributes="member: 284"><p>I didn't dismiss your points. I addressed each in turn, explaining why I disagreed. </p><p></p><p>You then said I was "presuming" something that I had never stated, so I matched your level of snippiness by stating that you should read the PHB, where the text I was referring to resides. </p><p></p><p>Then, upon request I listed the exact section I was referring to. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not quite. I gave my viewpoint and my reasons, and then pointed out that the Sage and the other game designers had confirmed the interpretation I gave. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure thing, here's your little "The Sage sucks and anyone who disagrees with me doesn't understand how things work" diatribe:</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Actually, I found them quite amusing so I wouldn't rate them as worthless. But I have an odd and anti-social sense of humor sometimes. It's a personality flaw, but I've come to accept it. I usually don't inflict it on other people, unless I feel provoked. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ask all you want, but I don't post to meet your expectations, or anyone elses. I post because it amuses me, because I think I can help someone understand something, because I want to participate in the debate, or because someone asks my opinion about something. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You mean the post where you made a rude characterization about someone I respect. I found it so insulting and so amusing at the same time, that I had to comment. The hypocrisy was just to funny to let it pass. </p><p></p><p>But then, I never claimed to have a nice sense of humor. I usually avoid flaming people because I like the community here, and I prefer real discussions. Notice I've never actually called you any names, I've just pointed out where you have insulted myself or other people, and where you contradicted yourself. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah, more hyperbole that doesn't actually mean anything. I did debate the actual points you brought up. Then you stopped bringing up actual points, and started making comments about my character, the Sage's character, and Icebears character, while fawning over the people who agreed with you. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have? You seem to have a remarkable insight into my private thoughts. You stated that I was one of those "self appointed rules gurus", and that is blatantly false. If I am known as a rules guru, it is only because other people have seen fit to bestow that title upon me, I have never sought it out. </p><p></p><p>I have <strong>never</strong> claimed to be infallible, and I have never claimed to be the ultimate authority on the rules. I'm pretty good at understanding the rules, and I can be pretty stubborn when I believe I'm right. I have no problem with strongly defending my position. </p><p></p><p>However, I have also been proven wrong on more than one occasion, and I will admit it when I realize I am wrong. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, Morrus asked me to do an "Ask the Oracle" column in some of the early issues of Asgard. Due to the lack of questions, and my feeling that I wasn't up to the task of being the rules authority in a monthly column, it was discontinued. </p><p></p><p>Trying to turn that into an act of self-aggrandizement is grasping at straws.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hmm... So you did. My mistake. Oh wait, I can't make mistakes, I "twist things around in my head". </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, I'm actually capable of that much. Why are you curious as to what he had on it though? As you said: </p><p></p><p>This seems to be at odds with your request. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah, but my point was that you stated that people like Icebear shouldn't "lick the hands of the self-appointed rules gurus", when you were doing the <strong>exactly the same thing</strong> with Artoomis. What makes it OK for you to consult with Artoomis, but not OK for Icebear to consult with people from WOTC or this board? What is the purpose of this board, if not to consult with other people about the rules? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now who's twisting things around? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Naw, if I was enraged I wouldn't be posting. I've just been alternately amused and annoyed. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Since you have taken just about every comment I've made as either an insult or condescending, I'm not sure how I was supposed to realize you had suddenly decided to play nice. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm sensitive to a lack of respect, especially to people whom I respect. If you snipe at me or them, I will make my own witty little comments in return. If you can't handle that without letting it escalate into a flame war, don't snipe. </p><p></p><p>I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how you can think that a monk will lose their abilities for using a shield, but the shield still isn't armor. Exactly why does the monk lose their abilities if the shield isn't armor? </p><p></p><p>Inconsistencies like that give me the impression that you are disagreeing merely to disagree.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Caliban, post: 63579, member: 284"] I didn't dismiss your points. I addressed each in turn, explaining why I disagreed. You then said I was "presuming" something that I had never stated, so I matched your level of snippiness by stating that you should read the PHB, where the text I was referring to resides. Then, upon request I listed the exact section I was referring to. [b][/b] Not quite. I gave my viewpoint and my reasons, and then pointed out that the Sage and the other game designers had confirmed the interpretation I gave. [b][/b] Sure thing, here's your little "The Sage sucks and anyone who disagrees with me doesn't understand how things work" diatribe: [b][/b] Actually, I found them quite amusing so I wouldn't rate them as worthless. But I have an odd and anti-social sense of humor sometimes. It's a personality flaw, but I've come to accept it. I usually don't inflict it on other people, unless I feel provoked. [b][/b] Ask all you want, but I don't post to meet your expectations, or anyone elses. I post because it amuses me, because I think I can help someone understand something, because I want to participate in the debate, or because someone asks my opinion about something. [b][/b] You mean the post where you made a rude characterization about someone I respect. I found it so insulting and so amusing at the same time, that I had to comment. The hypocrisy was just to funny to let it pass. But then, I never claimed to have a nice sense of humor. I usually avoid flaming people because I like the community here, and I prefer real discussions. Notice I've never actually called you any names, I've just pointed out where you have insulted myself or other people, and where you contradicted yourself. [b][/b] Ah, more hyperbole that doesn't actually mean anything. I did debate the actual points you brought up. Then you stopped bringing up actual points, and started making comments about my character, the Sage's character, and Icebears character, while fawning over the people who agreed with you. [b][/b] I have? You seem to have a remarkable insight into my private thoughts. You stated that I was one of those "self appointed rules gurus", and that is blatantly false. If I am known as a rules guru, it is only because other people have seen fit to bestow that title upon me, I have never sought it out. I have [b]never[/b] claimed to be infallible, and I have never claimed to be the ultimate authority on the rules. I'm pretty good at understanding the rules, and I can be pretty stubborn when I believe I'm right. I have no problem with strongly defending my position. However, I have also been proven wrong on more than one occasion, and I will admit it when I realize I am wrong. [b][/b] Yes, Morrus asked me to do an "Ask the Oracle" column in some of the early issues of Asgard. Due to the lack of questions, and my feeling that I wasn't up to the task of being the rules authority in a monthly column, it was discontinued. Trying to turn that into an act of self-aggrandizement is grasping at straws. [b][/b] Hmm... So you did. My mistake. Oh wait, I can't make mistakes, I "twist things around in my head". [b][/b] No, I'm actually capable of that much. Why are you curious as to what he had on it though? As you said: This seems to be at odds with your request. [b][/b] Ah, but my point was that you stated that people like Icebear shouldn't "lick the hands of the self-appointed rules gurus", when you were doing the [b]exactly the same thing[/b] with Artoomis. What makes it OK for you to consult with Artoomis, but not OK for Icebear to consult with people from WOTC or this board? What is the purpose of this board, if not to consult with other people about the rules? [b][/b] Now who's twisting things around? [b][/b] Naw, if I was enraged I wouldn't be posting. I've just been alternately amused and annoyed. [b][/b] Since you have taken just about every comment I've made as either an insult or condescending, I'm not sure how I was supposed to realize you had suddenly decided to play nice. [b][/b] I'm sensitive to a lack of respect, especially to people whom I respect. If you snipe at me or them, I will make my own witty little comments in return. If you can't handle that without letting it escalate into a flame war, don't snipe. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how you can think that a monk will lose their abilities for using a shield, but the shield still isn't armor. Exactly why does the monk lose their abilities if the shield isn't armor? Inconsistencies like that give me the impression that you are disagreeing merely to disagree. [/QUOTE]
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